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Tell that to the asian students suing harvard.

• tptacek 8y ago
  Isn't that a non-sequitur response? Isn't Harvard doing what I'm saying all affirmative action programs do? I'm not demanding that you be ok with affirmative action.
  • orangecat 8y ago
    They don't selectively retard admission from a particular ethnicity or gender based on a perceived substantive deficiency of people of that ethnicity or gender. Harvard is systematically penalizing Asians on the grounds that they have lousy personalities. Of course this is almost certainly a scheme to implement affirmative action without publicly admitting to it; whether that makes it better or worse is debatable.
    • tptacek 8y ago
      If that's actually the reasoning they're using, I strongly agree with you. But my understanding was that they, like most universities, are optimizing for ethnic diversity.
      • apawloski 8y ago
        They're referring to this lawsuit: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/29/us/harvard-admissions-asian-americans.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/29/us/harvard-admissions-asi...
        • tptacek 8y ago
          That article says that Harvard tends to describe Asians as "industrious" but "indistinguishable". That's bad! But that's not the same thing as having a formal standard that Asians, as a class, are indistinguishable, which is what the Japanese medical school did with women. The rest of their admissions program just aims to optimize ethnic diversity. Again: while I am personally fine with affirmative action and see the rationale for it, my argument doesn't demand that you be OK with it. All I'm arguing is that it isn't the same as what this Japanese school did.