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No. The "points system" has specifically been ruled unconstitutional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._B
by astura 8y ago
No. The "points system" has specifically been ruled unconstitutional.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratz_v._Bollinger
- oh_sigh 8y agoI said "effectively". There are other ways of implementing a racially discriminatory policy than explicitly adding 20 points for minorities. Let me put it this way: Tokyo Medical University was rejecting women who it would have accepted if all other things were equivalent except their reported gender was male. Don't some US universities do that with Affirmative Action? Reject Asians or whites that it would have accepted if all other things were equal except their reported race was black?
- briandear 8y agoWhy is this being downvoted? Isn’t that exactly what happens? https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/06/18/harvard-admissions-policies-against-asian-americans-racial-bias-column/708444002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/06/18/harvard-ad...
- ssfrr 8y agoExcept all other things are not equal. Someone who has achieved at the same level while also fighting sexism/racism has had to work harder and be better to get there. They’re playing on hard mode.
- hnaccy 8y agoDo you believe asians Americans face less racism than white Americans?
- ssfrr 8y agoI don't think it's really relevant to my point above, but no, I think on average asian americans face more racism than white americans.
- hnaccy 8y agoI took from your post that affirmative action is defensible because it helps those who had a harder time due to racism or sexism. But you admit asians who affirmative actions hurts the most face more racism than whites. Did I misunderstand?
- ssfrr 8y agoI think deciding how best to counteract systematic bias at earlier stages of the pipeline is difficult, and I don't think we should accept widespread collateral damage. That said, I don't think we should use that as an excuse to blow up the whole idea and ignore the bias (I'm not saying that's what you're advocating, just expanding my point).
- ironjunkie 8y agoExcept that you make a HUGE generalization based on the gender and the race. You expect Everyone in that group to have to work harder, and you expect that everyone not in that group to have it easy. Stereotyping people based on their race//gender is exactly what we should not do, but exactly what most simple affirmative actions are aiming at. What really matters is socio-economic background.
- ssfrr 8y agoI don't think it's a stretch to say that life is harder (on average) for minorities. Ignoring the role of racism and sexism to try to put all the blame on socio-economic background is a gross oversimplification. The NYtimes had a really nice infographic [1] showing the racial disparities in class mobility. tl;dr - white folks who are born rich tend to stay rich more often than black folks, and those who are born poor are more likely to move upwards. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-class-white-and-black-men.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/19/upshot/race-c...
- ironjunkie 8y agoIt is not a stretch, racism exists of course. But as you say, it is on average. And you are entirely basing this assumption on the external skin//gender attributes. When you are doing decisions on the "Average" of a specific group, you are misrepresenting people that do not fit in the stereotype.
- graeme 8y agoSide topic: how do law schools do it then? They have lower score requirements for under represented minorities. (I work in LSAT prep, and need to know a bit about admissions. But I'm not american, so I have a lot of gaps in my knowledge of the system.)