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> they have no agency to change anything If this is the case, than that's a sad state of affairs for the team. Instead the Team should have retrospectives to f

> they have no agency to change anything If this is the case, than that's a sad state of affairs for the team. Instead the Team should have retrospectives to freely talk about, what processes/ceremonies work and add to the teams efficiency at getting things done and which do not or are even detrimental. With each iteration of a retro the Team should slowly but surely progress towards a local optimum, where they shaped their work environment such that they can work best. > due to the business people who are really in charge not wanting to change. Stand-ups should be only for the team and SM. Sometimes a domain expert/PO can be added to the mix, if issues need clarification. But never should managers or stake holders bother the team during internal coordination of the work (as others said, standups are no status-report).

s73v3r_ 8y ago
"If this is the case, than that's a sad state of affairs for the team. Instead the Team should have retrospectives to freely talk about, what processes/ceremonies work and add to the teams efficiency at getting things done and which do not or are even detrimental." I mean, that sounds great, but in many of these situations, which are quite sad, the biggest problems they face are management that doesn't completely buy in, but still wants to tout that they're "Agile". So no getting rid of any ceremonies. "With each iteration of a retro the Team should slowly but surely progress towards a local optimum, where they shaped their work environment such that they can work best." Again, not all the issues are ones that the Team directly can address. "Stand-ups should be only for the team and SM." Should. Should is the operative word there. And I understand what you're trying to say in your comment, but it just completely ignores what reality is like at some places.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

"If this is the case, than that's a sad state of affairs for the team. Instead the Team should have retrospectives to freely talk about, what processes/ceremonies work and add to the teams efficiency at getting things done and which do not or are even detrimental." I mean, that sounds great, but in many of these situations, which are quite sad, the biggest problems they face are management that doesn't completely buy in, but still wants to tout that they're "Agile". So no getting rid of any ceremonies. "With each iteration of a retro the Team should slowly but surely progress towards a local optimum, where they shaped their work environment such that they can work best." Again, not all the issues are ones that the Team directly can address. "Stand-ups should be only for the team and SM." Should. Should is the operative word there. And I understand what you're trying to say in your comment, but it just completely ignores what reality is like at some places.