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This BS is why I moved to linux several years ago... no more CCleaner, no more Malwarebytes, no MCAFEE, no forced updates, no forced telemetry...

overcast 8y ago
You forgot no more desktop software, and no more games.
- wwhitlow 8y ago
  What are you talking about?!? I have to say that is a pretty poor argument. No the gaming industry has not moved to adopt Linux as a platform but that is largely in the AAA games which barely seem to give Windows the time of day as well. No more desktop software?!? What are you looking for in desktop software? The open source alternatives to Microsoft Office are not as nice to put it lightly but there is still enough desktop applications that aren't trapped in the terminal. Yes I still would more so recommend Linux to people that are comfortable with the idea of running things in the terminal and expecting more text based interfaces, but the software does exist.
  - overcast 8y ago
    I'm looking for Capture One for editing photos, Final Cut Pro for editing video, Unibox for Mail, Office Applications, 1profiler for color management(i don't want to use displaycal), the vast majority of games. AMD video card support. Those are some off the top of my head. I use every OS under the sun for various aspects of my life. Linux is not a desktop OS.
    - wwhitlow 8y ago
      Alright fair I'll admit I barely touch any editing tools and I only have a laptop to run Linux on right now so I personally enjoy it tremendously. Apologies for letting emotions boil over.
    - foepys 8y ago
      > AMD video card support. Please pick stuff that is actually not available on Linux if you do those kind of lists. AMD is providing FLOSS drivers to the Linux kernel and mesa for years now.
      - scopecreep 8y ago
        I think you mean to say "Valve has been paying developers to fix the AMD drivers for years now, since AMD can't be bothered."
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        Yes and the new drivers let the owners of older cards start wondering to buy NVidia instead.
    - paavoova 8y ago
      All proprietary tools whose developers have chosen not to support Linux and you have chosen to become dependent on.
      - Arzh 8y ago
        Also tools that linux developers don't care enough to make good.
    - mackal 8y ago
      Lol, AMD GPU support is great under Linux.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        Not when using a Brazos APU.
    - bayindirh 8y ago
      It depends on perspective and expectations. I'm a macOS and Linux user for 10+ years. From multimedia editing perspective Linux is a little behind, however in photography field there are tools which can provide terrific results. For RAW conversion, RAW therapee is available, which is considered superior to many proprietary converters, demosaicers. While it cannot compete with C1 or LR, there's darktable (and I like its RAW conversion more). I have not tried the HDR tools yet, but I think they're promising. I'm not knowledgable in video editing, and don't work in a color-managed environment, so I'm skipping these. For office applications, Using Office is your choice. I'm using LibreOffice for a long time on Mac and Linux, even for professional situations. It served me well, and serving well. It's also playing fairly well with latest Office formats, at least with the files I encounter. There were times when ATI/AMD support was bad, really bad, hardware damaging bad. I personally experienced some of those and reported directly them to ATI. There were times ATI/AMD literally had no video playback support via official drivers, but they're stories of past. AMD is a company which re-designed its silicon to provide better and more complete Linux support. ATI/AMD is not a company which is ignorant of Linux anymore.
  - phobosdeimos 8y ago
    I am happy for everyone who is enjoying Linux but can we give windows the credit it is due? If anyone ever makes an OS that has the game and driver support Windows has I will jump ship in a heartbeat. Case in point ccleaner: there are many alternatives. Try winutilities. http://www.pcclean.io/winutilities-pro/ http://www.pcclean.io/winutilities-pro/
  - jakebasile 8y ago
    > AAA games which barely seem to give Windows the time of day This was briefly true in the mid-2000s, but this is no longer the case. PC is resurgent and pretty much every non-Japanese, non-first party Sony/Nintendo game comes to Windows now, and it usually plays pretty well. Even the Japanese publishers are starting to release more and more on PC (see Sega).
- sp332 8y ago
  I just checked my games libraries. 16/27 (59%) itch.io games and 75/146 (51%) on Steam support Linux. It's not exactly a niche platform anymore. Edit: Humble Bundle, 84 Linux games. I don't know how to filter to only "games" to get a total though.
  - overcast 8y ago
    All that shows is that your library consists of mainly indie games. I agree it's making strides, but big name games are just not supported in any reasonable percentage. Why would they? The Linux gaming user base is minuscule.
    - craftyguy 8y ago
      I consider the fact that Call of Duty 9001, Madden <insert current year here>, and Far Cry Whatever are not available on Linux a feature, not a detriment.
      - sp332 8y ago
        Well nobody tell craftyguy, but Far Cry (the GoG version), Far Cry 2, Far Cry 3, and Far Cry Blood Dragon (the Uplay non-Steam version), Call of Duty, CoD 2, CoD 4 Modern Warfare, and MW 2 have Platinum ratings on Wine at least.
      - kjeetgill 8y ago
        Really? In what way is fewer options at all feature. It's not like it "leaves room for the little guys". It just proves theres no market for anyone.
        craftyguy 8y ago
        > It just proves theres no market for anyone No, it just proves there's no market for people who obsess over shitty games. There are plenty of good games with native linux support (e.g. Civ 5, Mount & Blade, Crusader Kings 2, etc etc).
- agumonkey 8y ago
  M-x snake
SenpaiSilver 8y ago
CCleaner isn't bundle with Windows so you could choose to not install it. It's not really needed anyway.
- qplex 8y ago
  But you cannot really opt out from Windows telemetry.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    You still have more configuration knobs than on Google's OSes.
    - wildrhythms 8y ago
      What does Android/ChromeOS have to do with this? Mac OS X is the most comparable and it lets you disable reporting on first setup (not buried deep within one of two different control panels). And if you really wanted to compare it to Android/ChromeOS, consider that Windows is still $120-200 for a license and still silently tracks out of the box. That just doesn't seem right. How much more do I need to pay to turn off being tracked?
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        The Windows licenses only matter when buying a Windows DVD without computer, they barely reflect on the whole computer price. In fact in some stores that sell computers with FreeDos or Linux, the models tend to be more expensive than those with Windows. ChromeOS by being a browser based OS, means all applications run in someone else's computer, no way to turn tracking off other than not using ChromeOS at all. Likewise, what each Android model allows to turn off and what gets tracked depends pretty much on how each OEM has customized their Android version.
itscompiling 8y ago
Is there something malicious about Malwarebytes now?
- agumonkey 8y ago
  something shallow but a few machines became unusable due to MWB cpu usage
DEADBEEFC0FFEE 8y ago
This has literally nothing to do with the OS. You're simply hijacking the thread to rant about your love for Linux.
- croshan 8y ago
  It has something to do with the spirit of the developer community that makes its applications, though. You could argue they're close enough to be synonymous.

overcast 8y ago

You forgot no more desktop software, and no more games.

wwhitlow 8y ago
What are you talking about?!? I have to say that is a pretty poor argument. No the gaming industry has not moved to adopt Linux as a platform but that is largely in the AAA games which barely seem to give Windows the time of day as well. No more desktop software?!? What are you looking for in desktop software? The open source alternatives to Microsoft Office are not as nice to put it lightly but there is still enough desktop applications that aren't trapped in the terminal. Yes I still would more so recommend Linux to people that are comfortable with the idea of running things in the terminal and expecting more text based interfaces, but the software does exist.
- overcast 8y ago
  I'm looking for Capture One for editing photos, Final Cut Pro for editing video, Unibox for Mail, Office Applications, 1profiler for color management(i don't want to use displaycal), the vast majority of games. AMD video card support. Those are some off the top of my head. I use every OS under the sun for various aspects of my life. Linux is not a desktop OS.
  - wwhitlow 8y ago
    Alright fair I'll admit I barely touch any editing tools and I only have a laptop to run Linux on right now so I personally enjoy it tremendously. Apologies for letting emotions boil over.
  - foepys 8y ago
    > AMD video card support. Please pick stuff that is actually not available on Linux if you do those kind of lists. AMD is providing FLOSS drivers to the Linux kernel and mesa for years now.
    - scopecreep 8y ago
      I think you mean to say "Valve has been paying developers to fix the AMD drivers for years now, since AMD can't be bothered."
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Yes and the new drivers let the owners of older cards start wondering to buy NVidia instead.
  - paavoova 8y ago
    All proprietary tools whose developers have chosen not to support Linux and you have chosen to become dependent on.
    - Arzh 8y ago
      Also tools that linux developers don't care enough to make good.
  - mackal 8y ago
    Lol, AMD GPU support is great under Linux.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Not when using a Brazos APU.
  - bayindirh 8y ago
    It depends on perspective and expectations. I'm a macOS and Linux user for 10+ years. From multimedia editing perspective Linux is a little behind, however in photography field there are tools which can provide terrific results. For RAW conversion, RAW therapee is available, which is considered superior to many proprietary converters, demosaicers. While it cannot compete with C1 or LR, there's darktable (and I like its RAW conversion more). I have not tried the HDR tools yet, but I think they're promising. I'm not knowledgable in video editing, and don't work in a color-managed environment, so I'm skipping these. For office applications, Using Office is your choice. I'm using LibreOffice for a long time on Mac and Linux, even for professional situations. It served me well, and serving well. It's also playing fairly well with latest Office formats, at least with the files I encounter. There were times when ATI/AMD support was bad, really bad, hardware damaging bad. I personally experienced some of those and reported directly them to ATI. There were times ATI/AMD literally had no video playback support via official drivers, but they're stories of past. AMD is a company which re-designed its silicon to provide better and more complete Linux support. ATI/AMD is not a company which is ignorant of Linux anymore.
- phobosdeimos 8y ago
  I am happy for everyone who is enjoying Linux but can we give windows the credit it is due? If anyone ever makes an OS that has the game and driver support Windows has I will jump ship in a heartbeat. Case in point ccleaner: there are many alternatives. Try winutilities. http://www.pcclean.io/winutilities-pro/ http://www.pcclean.io/winutilities-pro/
- jakebasile 8y ago
  > AAA games which barely seem to give Windows the time of day This was briefly true in the mid-2000s, but this is no longer the case. PC is resurgent and pretty much every non-Japanese, non-first party Sony/Nintendo game comes to Windows now, and it usually plays pretty well. Even the Japanese publishers are starting to release more and more on PC (see Sega).
sp332 8y ago
I just checked my games libraries. 16/27 (59%) itch.io games and 75/146 (51%) on Steam support Linux. It's not exactly a niche platform anymore. Edit: Humble Bundle, 84 Linux games. I don't know how to filter to only "games" to get a total though.
- overcast 8y ago
  All that shows is that your library consists of mainly indie games. I agree it's making strides, but big name games are just not supported in any reasonable percentage. Why would they? The Linux gaming user base is minuscule.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    I consider the fact that Call of Duty 9001, Madden <insert current year here>, and Far Cry Whatever are not available on Linux a feature, not a detriment.
    - sp332 8y ago
      Well nobody tell craftyguy, but Far Cry (the GoG version), Far Cry 2, Far Cry 3, and Far Cry Blood Dragon (the Uplay non-Steam version), Call of Duty, CoD 2, CoD 4 Modern Warfare, and MW 2 have Platinum ratings on Wine at least.
    - kjeetgill 8y ago
      Really? In what way is fewer options at all feature. It's not like it "leaves room for the little guys". It just proves theres no market for anyone.
      - craftyguy 8y ago
        > It just proves theres no market for anyone No, it just proves there's no market for people who obsess over shitty games. There are plenty of good games with native linux support (e.g. Civ 5, Mount & Blade, Crusader Kings 2, etc etc).
agumonkey 8y ago
M-x snake

SenpaiSilver 8y ago

CCleaner isn't bundle with Windows so you could choose to not install it. It's not really needed anyway.

qplex 8y ago
But you cannot really opt out from Windows telemetry.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  You still have more configuration knobs than on Google's OSes.
  - wildrhythms 8y ago
    What does Android/ChromeOS have to do with this? Mac OS X is the most comparable and it lets you disable reporting on first setup (not buried deep within one of two different control panels). And if you really wanted to compare it to Android/ChromeOS, consider that Windows is still $120-200 for a license and still silently tracks out of the box. That just doesn't seem right. How much more do I need to pay to turn off being tracked?
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      The Windows licenses only matter when buying a Windows DVD without computer, they barely reflect on the whole computer price. In fact in some stores that sell computers with FreeDos or Linux, the models tend to be more expensive than those with Windows. ChromeOS by being a browser based OS, means all applications run in someone else's computer, no way to turn tracking off other than not using ChromeOS at all. Likewise, what each Android model allows to turn off and what gets tracked depends pretty much on how each OEM has customized their Android version.

itscompiling 8y ago

Is there something malicious about Malwarebytes now?

agumonkey 8y ago
something shallow but a few machines became unusable due to MWB cpu usage

DEADBEEFC0FFEE 8y ago

This has literally nothing to do with the OS. You're simply hijacking the thread to rant about your love for Linux.

croshan 8y ago
It has something to do with the spirit of the developer community that makes its applications, though. You could argue they're close enough to be synonymous.