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In college if i was goofing off on my phone during lecture I would likely pay for it on an exam. You could try silently writing down which days you saw a stude

In college if i was goofing off on my phone during lecture I would likely pay for it on an exam. You could try silently writing down which days you saw a student on their phone & which days you taught the specific subject material. Then when students get it wrong on a test that you grade you can add a comment along the lines of "this was covered on day X when you were on your phone" You would also then have a nice report for parent student meetings, and the parents can do the enforcing

Yoric 8y ago
> Then when students get it wrong on a test that you grade you can add a comment along the lines of "this was covered on day X when you were on your phone" In my experience, by the time you realized you failed the exam, it's often too late to start learning all the things you didn't think you needed to learn. Which is also one of the reasons for which I hated exams as a teacher.
- skate22 8y ago
  I was thinking the first couple would be a learning experience and kids might curve their behavior over time. (Maybe this was a terrible idea lol)
Symbiote 8y ago
Except the general purpose of school is for the children to be educated, not to make a smart comment when they fail an exam.
- skate22 8y ago
  It was just a thought. I feel like the teacher should not be tasked with policing phone useage, but teach kids to take personal responsablity for their actions / education. Maybe this wouldnt be effective, i just thought after one or two of these exams kids might take initiative to not use their phone as much. I was not imagining a passive agressive one liner to the students, but i understand how it sounded that way lol
isoskeles 8y ago
This is petty and time-consuming.
- skate22 8y ago
  It wasnt intended to be petty, i thought of it more as giving students more personal responsability to pay attention. I was just trying to throw an idea out there lol
- Retric 8y ago
  Being petty and being effective are often related as a teacher. Cramming for tests has poor long term retention. So, even if it seems like a final should be enough to demonstrate competency it's generally a poor idea to upgrade a grade based on a final.
privacypoller 8y ago
this is the same problem with photo radar speeding tickets. We know that for learning immediate correction is super-important, so just like getting a ticket in the mail several weeks after speeding, a note after you fail a test will just piss off the receiver and there's no long term training effect. also, don't you think teachers have better things to do with their extremely limited instruction time than police and inventory cell phone usage?
- skate22 8y ago
  They already are policing it. Stopping class to argue with some kid is much more disruptive than writing down a name
- waterhouse 8y ago
  I'm not familiar with exactly what teachers do these days, but I feel like it's a stereotypical teacher behavior to notice students who look like they're not paying attention—in whatever way, be it staring into space, reading an unrelated book, etc.—and call on the student and ask them to explain what they were just talking about. I'm not sure whether that's a good or bad practice, but it does fit the bill of "immediate correction" that could straightforwardly be applied to students looking at a phone.
paulddraper 8y ago
> the parents can do the enforcing Why should the parents do the enforcing? If I goof off and get bad grades I would likely pay for it in my future career opportunities. /s
- skate22 8y ago
  The point was that the teacher shouldn't have to do it.
Jach 8y ago
I think all of the complaints with your idea that center around "exam time" being too late would be addressed by sensible quiz policies. i.e. classes should have quizzes frequently, which individually aren't a huge component of the grade, but also which repeatedly cover past material so students can get the benefits of spaced-repetition. The notes correlating phone use can be given on the quizzes. The only issue I have with your idea in spirit is that it does nothing for the other innocent students who get distracted by the people goofing off on their phones, but this might just be addressed by cracking down on distracting use but if people want to quietly text or browse the web under the desk for the whole period that's their business / responsibility come quiz/exam time.

Yoric 8y ago

> Then when students get it wrong on a test that you grade you can add a comment along the lines of "this was covered on day X when you were on your phone" In my experience, by the time you realized you failed the exam, it's often too late to start learning all the things you didn't think you needed to learn. Which is also one of the reasons for which I hated exams as a teacher.

skate22 8y ago
I was thinking the first couple would be a learning experience and kids might curve their behavior over time. (Maybe this was a terrible idea lol)

Symbiote 8y ago

Except the general purpose of school is for the children to be educated, not to make a smart comment when they fail an exam.

skate22 8y ago
It was just a thought. I feel like the teacher should not be tasked with policing phone useage, but teach kids to take personal responsablity for their actions / education. Maybe this wouldnt be effective, i just thought after one or two of these exams kids might take initiative to not use their phone as much. I was not imagining a passive agressive one liner to the students, but i understand how it sounded that way lol

isoskeles 8y ago

This is petty and time-consuming.

skate22 8y ago
It wasnt intended to be petty, i thought of it more as giving students more personal responsability to pay attention. I was just trying to throw an idea out there lol
Retric 8y ago
Being petty and being effective are often related as a teacher. Cramming for tests has poor long term retention. So, even if it seems like a final should be enough to demonstrate competency it's generally a poor idea to upgrade a grade based on a final.

privacypoller 8y ago

this is the same problem with photo radar speeding tickets. We know that for learning immediate correction is super-important, so just like getting a ticket in the mail several weeks after speeding, a note after you fail a test will just piss off the receiver and there's no long term training effect. also, don't you think teachers have better things to do with their extremely limited instruction time than police and inventory cell phone usage?

skate22 8y ago
They already are policing it. Stopping class to argue with some kid is much more disruptive than writing down a name
waterhouse 8y ago
I'm not familiar with exactly what teachers do these days, but I feel like it's a stereotypical teacher behavior to notice students who look like they're not paying attention—in whatever way, be it staring into space, reading an unrelated book, etc.—and call on the student and ask them to explain what they were just talking about. I'm not sure whether that's a good or bad practice, but it does fit the bill of "immediate correction" that could straightforwardly be applied to students looking at a phone.

paulddraper 8y ago

> the parents can do the enforcing Why should the parents do the enforcing? If I goof off and get bad grades I would likely pay for it in my future career opportunities. /s

skate22 8y ago
The point was that the teacher shouldn't have to do it.

Jach 8y ago

I think all of the complaints with your idea that center around "exam time" being too late would be addressed by sensible quiz policies. i.e. classes should have quizzes frequently, which individually aren't a huge component of the grade, but also which repeatedly cover past material so students can get the benefits of spaced-repetition. The notes correlating phone use can be given on the quizzes. The only issue I have with your idea in spirit is that it does nothing for the other innocent students who get distracted by the people goofing off on their phones, but this might just be addressed by cracking down on distracting use but if people want to quietly text or browse the web under the desk for the whole period that's their business / responsibility come quiz/exam time.