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CNN, WP, and NYT basically do just present the facts in their reporting. To the extent that it's a big deal when they put out a falsehood and people have gotten

by cm2012 8y ago

CNN, WP, and NYT basically do just present the facts in their reporting. To the extent that it's a big deal when they put out a falsehood and people have gotten fired. Opinion sections are obviously different.

crazynick4 8y ago
CNN constantly uses loaded words in their reporting, along with more subtle things like condescending smiles when a person is talking who does not hold a left-wing opinion. The news is almost all factual but is meant to swing a person's opinion in just about every way without actually citing false facts (unless the subject is WMDs in Iraq). It is probably the best TV news source we have in the US but it still sets a fairly low bar in terms of objectivity. Oftentimes, just leaving out certain facts while including others can have just as much of an influence as citing false facts outright, especially when done repeatedly. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/
kingofhdds 8y ago
We all know that even a composition of words used (or avoided) to report a fact may be very loaded. And it just how it happens in all media, big and small, because apparently journalists are humans, and editors are humans. There are worse, and better cases, but there's no such thing as 100% neutral reporting.
monocasa 8y ago
At least during the 2016 primaries, they were basically just mouthpieces of the Clinton campaign.
- cm2012 8y ago
  That's just not true.https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-donald-trump-hacked-the-media/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-donald-trump-hacked...
  - monocasa 8y ago
    https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaig... The Clinton campaign specifically asked the news media (including CNN, WP, NYT) to increase coverage of Trump (as well as Carson and Cruz). This is so that they'd either have someone easier to beat in the case of these 'pied piper' candidates, or pull a stronger opponent farther right come the general. Nate Silver didn't know about this in March of 2016 when he wrote that article.
    - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
      This is the most inconvenient truth of the entire 2016 Campaign. Hillary requested Trump to be propped up as someone she "knew" she could beat. If she had just played fair, she might have actually won against Jeb who the GOP actually wanted. Don't like Trump? Thank Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and the media for playing along.

by cm2012 8y ago

crazynick4 8y ago

CNN constantly uses loaded words in their reporting, along with more subtle things like condescending smiles when a person is talking who does not hold a left-wing opinion. The news is almost all factual but is meant to swing a person's opinion in just about every way without actually citing false facts (unless the subject is WMDs in Iraq). It is probably the best TV news source we have in the US but it still sets a fairly low bar in terms of objectivity. Oftentimes, just leaving out certain facts while including others can have just as much of an influence as citing false facts outright, especially when done repeatedly. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/

kingofhdds 8y ago

We all know that even a composition of words used (or avoided) to report a fact may be very loaded. And it just how it happens in all media, big and small, because apparently journalists are humans, and editors are humans. There are worse, and better cases, but there's no such thing as 100% neutral reporting.

monocasa 8y ago

At least during the 2016 primaries, they were basically just mouthpieces of the Clinton campaign.

cm2012 8y ago
That's just not true.https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-donald-trump-hacked-the-media/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-donald-trump-hacked...
- monocasa 8y ago
  https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaig... The Clinton campaign specifically asked the news media (including CNN, WP, NYT) to increase coverage of Trump (as well as Carson and Cruz). This is so that they'd either have someone easier to beat in the case of these 'pied piper' candidates, or pull a stronger opponent farther right come the general. Nate Silver didn't know about this in March of 2016 when he wrote that article.
  - SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
    This is the most inconvenient truth of the entire 2016 Campaign. Hillary requested Trump to be propped up as someone she "knew" she could beat. If she had just played fair, she might have actually won against Jeb who the GOP actually wanted. Don't like Trump? Thank Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and the media for playing along.