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A huge chunk of the American electorate has given up on principles and is now in a sports mentality where the only goal is to beat the opposing team. This has b

A huge chunk of the American electorate has given up on principles and is now in a sports mentality where the only goal is to beat the opposing team. This has been driven to extremes by eight years of a non-white President from that team. The opposing team is against pollution and favors fuel efficiency, thus they are for pollution and against fuel efficiency. That’s really all there is to it. Look up “rolling coal” for the purest expression of this sentiment.

maxxxxx 8y ago
And the same people would nornally be shouting how more safety features are "job killing" but now that they can use them to burn more fuel they are all for them.
onyva 8y ago
The “wining” team, this time, didn’t really win, now did they? They lost by 3 million votes. Without going into what Russia did to tip this elections, which were won by mere 70,000 votes in the 3 key states. This is for sure not your usual right vs left style of governing. It’s the right not accepting that they’ve lost. It’s the self righteousness of people who think they have the right to govern, no matter what.
- mikeash 8y ago
  They won according to the rules of the game. Normal politics might say that they ought to govern from the middle given how narrowly they won. But with a team mentality, that makes no sense. It’s like saying the Super Bowl winners should share the trophy because they only won by one point and the other team ran the ball more yards. Does not compute.
  - maxxxxx 8y ago
    Very true. The only thing that bugged me was that Trump can not even win with grace. He won but had to claim additionally without any proof that he would have won even more if not millions of illegal voters would have voted. Pretty sad.
  - onyva 8y ago
    Rules of the game, really? You mean colluding with a foreign government against your own people is playing by th “rules of the game”? Isn’t it exactly the oppsite? Whichever is the case with this narrow “win” they for sure did not get manadate to foundentally change the USA. And this is without getting into trump’s a non existing ideology of plan for governing. It’s not a government. A government does not work against the interests of its people.
    - mikeash 8y ago
      You were talking about losing the popular vote and explicitly disclaimed the rest, and I was following along.
      - onyva 8y ago
        Yet down voting me not making you sound very confident in your arguments.
        mikeash 8y ago
        I’m not downvoting you. HN doesn’t allow you to downvote replies to your own comments.
        AnimalMuppet 8y ago
        I'm downvoting you. (Others are also.) If you want to know why, I'll explain. You made a bad initial argument, which seemed to be motivated by having a political axe to grind. Since then, your replies have looked like someone who just wants to argue, but isn't actually listening to what they're replying to. That's a "dialog" that isn't going to contribute anything useful. All it adds is noise. We try to avoid that kind of thing on HN. Hence the downvotes.

maxxxxx 8y ago

And the same people would nornally be shouting how more safety features are "job killing" but now that they can use them to burn more fuel they are all for them.

onyva 8y ago

The “wining” team, this time, didn’t really win, now did they? They lost by 3 million votes. Without going into what Russia did to tip this elections, which were won by mere 70,000 votes in the 3 key states. This is for sure not your usual right vs left style of governing. It’s the right not accepting that they’ve lost. It’s the self righteousness of people who think they have the right to govern, no matter what.

mikeash 8y ago
They won according to the rules of the game. Normal politics might say that they ought to govern from the middle given how narrowly they won. But with a team mentality, that makes no sense. It’s like saying the Super Bowl winners should share the trophy because they only won by one point and the other team ran the ball more yards. Does not compute.
- maxxxxx 8y ago
  Very true. The only thing that bugged me was that Trump can not even win with grace. He won but had to claim additionally without any proof that he would have won even more if not millions of illegal voters would have voted. Pretty sad.
- onyva 8y ago
  Rules of the game, really? You mean colluding with a foreign government against your own people is playing by th “rules of the game”? Isn’t it exactly the oppsite? Whichever is the case with this narrow “win” they for sure did not get manadate to foundentally change the USA. And this is without getting into trump’s a non existing ideology of plan for governing. It’s not a government. A government does not work against the interests of its people.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    You were talking about losing the popular vote and explicitly disclaimed the rest, and I was following along.
    - onyva 8y ago
      Yet down voting me not making you sound very confident in your arguments.
      - mikeash 8y ago
        I’m not downvoting you. HN doesn’t allow you to downvote replies to your own comments.
      - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
        I'm downvoting you. (Others are also.) If you want to know why, I'll explain. You made a bad initial argument, which seemed to be motivated by having a political axe to grind. Since then, your replies have looked like someone who just wants to argue, but isn't actually listening to what they're replying to. That's a "dialog" that isn't going to contribute anything useful. All it adds is noise. We try to avoid that kind of thing on HN. Hence the downvotes.