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You really shouldn't downplay the issue. From what I've read, the issue of peeping toms is a real issue in SK, especially given the gender norms there. That sai
by noobermin 8y ago
You really shouldn't downplay the issue. From what I've read, the issue of peeping toms is a real issue in SK, especially given the gender norms there. That said, of course people should be mindful of unintended consequences or the co-opting of movements for women's right like these recent SK protests specifically to push in culturally conservative directions. SK has in the past been more receptive to a strong government in the private realm including censorship of satire and the like. This was under the previous government that was at the center of a corruption drama but those elements still exist of course.
I guess what I mean is both could and might be true: molka is a problem and it is being used to push the society in culturally conservative directions.
- mrweasel 8y agoSorry, I wasn't meaning to downplay the issue. What I am question is how the issue is handled. Going around looking for hidden cameras apparently haven't yielded any result, nor have it addressed the underlying issue.
- SiempreViernes 8y agoSeveral women felt safer, that is a tangible result.
- mrweasel 8y agoAah, but that's the issue isn't it. They felt safer, but they're not. They are just as vulnerable as before, because the underlying issue wasn't address. As someone else pointed out, it's "security theater". You haven't made the women safer. You're saying: See, we did something. It's just that the thing you attacked was never the problem.
- SiempreViernes 8y agoI'm not sure it is security theatre, these sweeps may well be very capable of finding hidden cameras. Then their failure to find anything demonstrates that the danger has been severely overstated in several locations, that seems like valuable knowledge to me. Decreasing uncertainty is an important aspect of providing security. Of course, the scans could be incapable, either by neglect or incompetence, and then they do provide only false security.
- jakobegger 8y agoThey were probably only scared because of the security theater in the first place.
- codedokode 8y agoIf we follow your logic, fire safety inspections should be cancelled because they find no violations most of the time.
- jakobegger 8y agoI'm pretty sure that fire safety inspections do find a lot of violations. And they have the benefit of educating people -- for example, we didn't know that you shouldn't place a chimney cleaning door in a bedroom. It seems obvious in hindsight, but we just didn't question the guy who installed it.
- lifthrasiir 8y agoWhile I fully believe you that you didn't intend this, but that exactly sounds like a men's complaint after enjoying years of "freedom". I feel that years of inappropriate handling of gender issues are gone and the debts are finally fighting back, sometimes in the unexpected ways. I do expect a lot of hiccups and unfortunate situations over the course but won't characterize them as "conservative" movements.