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Here is the "official" compatibility chart: http://www.mono-project.com/Compatibility http://www.mono-project.com/Compatibility The chart is based on 2.6, the

by icey 16y ago

Here is the "official" compatibility chart: http://www.mono-project.com/Compatibility http://www.mono-project.com/Compatibility The chart is based on 2.6, the stuff that was added today falls under the "Current Mono Trunk" section. I'm not sure if the DLR (dynamic language runtime) is fully functional on Mono yet. The DLR is what's used to make IronPython and IronRuby run on the .Net stack. It's embedded into Silverlight, which allows developers to run Python and Ruby in the browser (assuming their users have the Silverlight plugin). Mono has Moonlight, but again, I'm not sure if the DLR is in there. I personally see C# as an evolutionary next step from Java. That being said, languages like Scala, Clojure, JRuby (which I guess is technically a language implementation) let you get the benefits of Java without all the sucky language parts. C# is a solid server-side language. I'm not terribly impressed with it for the web, although MVC makes it much better than it used to be (blah, webforms). There's an interesting project that was posted here recently called "Manos de Mono" that offers some variety in the web space [1] It's also turned out to be a pretty decent mobile development language. You can develop iPhone and Android apps using Mono [2][3], as well as cross-platform games [4][5]. You can use Mono in client-side applications, but I'm not sure how well it works or everything that's involved with using it that way. One of the nice things about Mono is that it lets you write C# on Unix and Unix-like platforms. For those of us that use C# during the day, it's liberating to be able to use the same language on our Macs at home, or deployed on Linux servers next to our other software. [1] http://github.com/jacksonh/manos http://github.com/jacksonh/manos [2] http://monotouch.net/ http://monotouch.net/ [3] http://monodroid.net/ http://monodroid.net/ [4] http://code.google.com/p/monoxna/ http://code.google.com/p/monoxna/ [5] http://unity3d.com/ http://unity3d.com/

peregrine 16y ago
I agree with your statements about webforms(double blah), I've been working on a fairly signifigant MVC2 project at work and its far better then doing the same in webforms. Microsoft is truly trying to get back into the web game and make it 'cool' to be a web dev on the M$ stack. That said the community is still lacking. Their are plenty of motivated passionate people but they very often feel like their are just doing it to get a book deal or speaking gigs and not because they care. Oh well.
migueldeicaza 16y ago
The DLR is fully functional in Mono by virtue of Microsoft having open sourced the entire DLR under the MS-PL and Apache2 licenses, so this release contains the same DLR that you get in .NET 4.0
fauigerzigerk 16y ago
C# is an evolutionary step from Java, but it gets a bigger one with every version. I would say it has diverged further from Java than Scala. I think it's become a really interesting language. Somewhat surprisingly. It seems the people around Anders Hejlsberg are somewhat of an aberration within Microsoft considering how slow other groups move. Anyway, the most interesting feature in .NET is that its memory consumption is about half that of Java on an average application. Sometimes more. Memory constraints are what bothers me most with the other platforms I use, particularly in a hosted environment where doubling memory often means doubling overall cost.
- cageface 16y ago
  C# as a language and .NET as a platform both seem pretty powerful but there's no way in hell I'd build anything non-trivial on a Microsoft stack. I don't have anything new to add to the argument but I'm just not comfortable with the degree of faith people like Miguel seem willing to put in MS and some of his more recent defenses of them in particular just sound like denial I'll take the JVM with all its warts and Scala or Clojure over C# no matter how nice it is.
  - storm 16y ago
    One nice thing about the HN crowd is that it is for the most part pragmatic, able to quite refreshingly discuss C# as a language without immediately descending into these tired talking points casting Microsoft as patent-wielding bogeyman, etc. This is even more peculiar now that Oracle owns Java and is actually engaging in the kind of behavior that we were supposed to be desperately scared of Microsoft engaging in with .NET any day now. If you're reflexively injecting off-the-shelf 'be afraid to use it' notes into a conversation where C# is mentioned, and applying a trite pop-psych analysis to Miguel de Icaza to boot, you may want to take a few steps back and ask who is really bringing faith and dogma to the table here. Is there anyone in this crowd who hasn't heard your stated opinion approximately 1,000,000 times, and who wouldn't carefully weigh such considerations before making any production commitments?
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by icey 16y ago

peregrine 16y ago

I agree with your statements about webforms(double blah), I've been working on a fairly signifigant MVC2 project at work and its far better then doing the same in webforms. Microsoft is truly trying to get back into the web game and make it 'cool' to be a web dev on the M$ stack. That said the community is still lacking. Their are plenty of motivated passionate people but they very often feel like their are just doing it to get a book deal or speaking gigs and not because they care. Oh well.

migueldeicaza 16y ago

The DLR is fully functional in Mono by virtue of Microsoft having open sourced the entire DLR under the MS-PL and Apache2 licenses, so this release contains the same DLR that you get in .NET 4.0

fauigerzigerk 16y ago

C# is an evolutionary step from Java, but it gets a bigger one with every version. I would say it has diverged further from Java than Scala. I think it's become a really interesting language. Somewhat surprisingly. It seems the people around Anders Hejlsberg are somewhat of an aberration within Microsoft considering how slow other groups move. Anyway, the most interesting feature in .NET is that its memory consumption is about half that of Java on an average application. Sometimes more. Memory constraints are what bothers me most with the other platforms I use, particularly in a hosted environment where doubling memory often means doubling overall cost.

cageface 16y ago
C# as a language and .NET as a platform both seem pretty powerful but there's no way in hell I'd build anything non-trivial on a Microsoft stack. I don't have anything new to add to the argument but I'm just not comfortable with the degree of faith people like Miguel seem willing to put in MS and some of his more recent defenses of them in particular just sound like denial I'll take the JVM with all its warts and Scala or Clojure over C# no matter how nice it is.
- storm 16y ago
  One nice thing about the HN crowd is that it is for the most part pragmatic, able to quite refreshingly discuss C# as a language without immediately descending into these tired talking points casting Microsoft as patent-wielding bogeyman, etc. This is even more peculiar now that Oracle owns Java and is actually engaging in the kind of behavior that we were supposed to be desperately scared of Microsoft engaging in with .NET any day now. If you're reflexively injecting off-the-shelf 'be afraid to use it' notes into a conversation where C# is mentioned, and applying a trite pop-psych analysis to Miguel de Icaza to boot, you may want to take a few steps back and ask who is really bringing faith and dogma to the table here. Is there anyone in this crowd who hasn't heard your stated opinion approximately 1,000,000 times, and who wouldn't carefully weigh such considerations before making any production commitments?
  - 16y ago