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SF should ban private cars, because it deprives public and commercial transportation of customers. SF should ban owning your own apartment, because it deprives

SF should ban private cars, because it deprives public and commercial transportation of customers. SF should ban owning your own apartment, because it deprives landlords of rent. SF should ban e-commerce purchases, because it deprives local retail stores of sales. SF should ban cleaning your own home, because cleaning companies need more business.

mc32 8y ago
Exactly this. This is the beginning of a nanny city. I’m hoping Breed nixes this in the bud. Telling people where to get their sustenance is really a bad start. Bad policy.
gedy 8y ago
The irony is San Francisco is considered a 'liberal' city, but "ban this, ban that" attitude is quite conservative/reactionary and not liberal at all
- wskinner 8y ago
  San Francisco liberals are not liberal in the sense of promoting liberty. "Leftist" would be more accurate. In fact in America, neither the mainstream left nor the mainstream right is particularly liberal: both want things to stay more or less the same and are afraid of change, both are conservative in that sense.
dsfyu404ed 8y ago
I know you're joking but this is CA we're talking about. Everything's fair game for a ban. If you saw a headline that says "Sen. Fienstien calls for ban on water guns" it's a legitimate tossup as to whether it's satire or legit. Banning things is kind of their specialty.
- yellowapple 8y ago
  And of course she'll be allowed to have water guns because she's a senator and therefore above our mortal notions of "law".
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    She doesn't have to have water guns because she can afford to hire people to spray water at other people for her.
lainga 8y ago
But don't forget that free trade and efficient markets are the cornerstone of the American way, and protectionism is tantamount to economic suicide (only when discussing Trump's tariffs).
hrktb 8y ago
I see where you’re coming from, but all of these are standard things done in a way or another for the public good. But always in a partial manner, not in the absolutes you mention. > ban private cars The standard move is to retire parking lots, increase tax on car ownership in a variety of ways. That helps finance reworking the streets, building better infra. > ban owning your appartment You get zoning laws. > e-commerce purchases Local tax on online goods. > cleaning your own home Shoet of cleaning, the city can impose landscaping standards and mandate registered companies for dealing with building maintenance and architecture change. That’s the contract you have for living in a society; giving up a fair amount of control in exchange of a community.
satyrnein 8y ago
From Bastiat's classic candlemakers' petition against the sun: We ask you to be so good as to pass a law requiring the closing of all windows, dormers, skylights, inside and outside shutters, curtains, casements, bull's-eyes, deadlights, and blinds — in short, all openings, holes, chinks, and fissures through which the light of the sun is wont to enter houses, to the detriment of the fair industries with which, we are proud to say, we have endowed the country, a country that cannot, without betraying ingratitude, abandon us today to so unequal a combat. http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html
akira2501 8y ago
SF should ban continental breakfasts. If you're staying at a hotel and they provide breakfast, we're depriving local businesses of the opportunity to serve them.

mc32 8y ago

Exactly this. This is the beginning of a nanny city. I’m hoping Breed nixes this in the bud. Telling people where to get their sustenance is really a bad start. Bad policy.

gedy 8y ago

The irony is San Francisco is considered a 'liberal' city, but "ban this, ban that" attitude is quite conservative/reactionary and not liberal at all

wskinner 8y ago
San Francisco liberals are not liberal in the sense of promoting liberty. "Leftist" would be more accurate. In fact in America, neither the mainstream left nor the mainstream right is particularly liberal: both want things to stay more or less the same and are afraid of change, both are conservative in that sense.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

I know you're joking but this is CA we're talking about. Everything's fair game for a ban. If you saw a headline that says "Sen. Fienstien calls for ban on water guns" it's a legitimate tossup as to whether it's satire or legit. Banning things is kind of their specialty.

yellowapple 8y ago
And of course she'll be allowed to have water guns because she's a senator and therefore above our mortal notions of "law".
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  She doesn't have to have water guns because she can afford to hire people to spray water at other people for her.

lainga 8y ago

But don't forget that free trade and efficient markets are the cornerstone of the American way, and protectionism is tantamount to economic suicide (only when discussing Trump's tariffs).

hrktb 8y ago

I see where you’re coming from, but all of these are standard things done in a way or another for the public good. But always in a partial manner, not in the absolutes you mention. > ban private cars The standard move is to retire parking lots, increase tax on car ownership in a variety of ways. That helps finance reworking the streets, building better infra. > ban owning your appartment You get zoning laws. > e-commerce purchases Local tax on online goods. > cleaning your own home Shoet of cleaning, the city can impose landscaping standards and mandate registered companies for dealing with building maintenance and architecture change. That’s the contract you have for living in a society; giving up a fair amount of control in exchange of a community.

satyrnein 8y ago

From Bastiat's classic candlemakers' petition against the sun: We ask you to be so good as to pass a law requiring the closing of all windows, dormers, skylights, inside and outside shutters, curtains, casements, bull's-eyes, deadlights, and blinds — in short, all openings, holes, chinks, and fissures through which the light of the sun is wont to enter houses, to the detriment of the fair industries with which, we are proud to say, we have endowed the country, a country that cannot, without betraying ingratitude, abandon us today to so unequal a combat. http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html

akira2501 8y ago

SF should ban continental breakfasts. If you're staying at a hotel and they provide breakfast, we're depriving local businesses of the opportunity to serve them.