I think the definition for cause you're using is heavier than the definition I'm using. This is probably because religions have traditionally framed extra-univ

I think the definition for cause you're using is heavier than the definition I'm using. This is probably because religions have traditionally framed extra-universal things as ordering events inside the universe, but it seems that is not possible if you exit spacetime. In other words, branes, strings, gods, or anything we discover could, in my definition, "cause" reality to manifest without a temporal cause/effect coupling. Perhaps I need a better word to remove the cause/effect temporal baggage