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Agreed. Using Finland as an example is absurd. Finland has a very wealthy, very homogeneous population. Longer school days are designed, in this case, to keep m

by fhood 8y ago

Agreed. Using Finland as an example is absurd. Finland has a very wealthy, very homogeneous population. Longer school days are designed, in this case, to keep many of these kids in a safe environment for as long as possible.

moorhosj 8y ago
==Using Finland as an example is absurd. Finland has a very wealthy, very homogeneous population.== Finland is 21% less wealthy than America on a per capita basis. Finland GDP per capita - $35,964.77 US GDP per capita - $45,759.46 -http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/United-States/Economy http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/Uni...
- ezzzzz 8y ago
  Finland has a drastically lower poverty rate, lower income inequality [1] and lower violent crime rate than the United States [2]. This fact, combined with Finland's well-known social safety nets leads to the obvious conclusion that you would be hard pressed to find living conditions like those in the slums of Akron/Cleveland in Finland. [1]https://data.oecd.org/finland.htm#profile-government https://data.oecd.org/finland.htm#profile-government [2]http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/United-States/Crime http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/Uni...
  - moorhosj 8y ago
    ==This fact, combined with Finland's well-known social safety nets leads to the obvious conclusion that you would be hard pressed to find living conditions like those in the slums of Akron/Cleveland in Finland.== Isn't it possible that Finland's well-known social safety net is at least partially responsible for the lower poverty, income inequality and violent crime rates?
    - toyg 8y ago
      It's absolutely the case, no question; but the problem here is that a school model that works in that scenario is unlikely to work in the current American scenario. It's like writing programs for high-level APIs (that will take care of memory, sorting and so on) versus writing programs against the POSIX interface (where you have to basically do everything yourself).
    - ezzzzz 8y ago
      Yes, and I absolutely agree with the the other reply that such a model would be completely ineffective in the type of neighborhoods LeBron's school is targeting. I hope this model is successful because I think it could greatly benefit under-served communities.
forapurpose 8y ago
> Finland has a ... very homogeneous population I don't know this to be true or false, but is there any evidence of it? And is there any evidence that it has an effect on educational effectiveness? I wouldn't expect an effect; people learn to read, write and do math in K-12 all over the world.

by fhood 8y ago

moorhosj 8y ago

==Using Finland as an example is absurd. Finland has a very wealthy, very homogeneous population.== Finland is 21% less wealthy than America on a per capita basis. Finland GDP per capita - $35,964.77 US GDP per capita - $45,759.46 -http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/United-States/Economy http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/Uni...

ezzzzz 8y ago
Finland has a drastically lower poverty rate, lower income inequality [1] and lower violent crime rate than the United States [2]. This fact, combined with Finland's well-known social safety nets leads to the obvious conclusion that you would be hard pressed to find living conditions like those in the slums of Akron/Cleveland in Finland. [1]https://data.oecd.org/finland.htm#profile-government https://data.oecd.org/finland.htm#profile-government [2]http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/United-States/Crime http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Finland/Uni...
- moorhosj 8y ago
  ==This fact, combined with Finland's well-known social safety nets leads to the obvious conclusion that you would be hard pressed to find living conditions like those in the slums of Akron/Cleveland in Finland.== Isn't it possible that Finland's well-known social safety net is at least partially responsible for the lower poverty, income inequality and violent crime rates?
  - toyg 8y ago
    It's absolutely the case, no question; but the problem here is that a school model that works in that scenario is unlikely to work in the current American scenario. It's like writing programs for high-level APIs (that will take care of memory, sorting and so on) versus writing programs against the POSIX interface (where you have to basically do everything yourself).
  - ezzzzz 8y ago
    Yes, and I absolutely agree with the the other reply that such a model would be completely ineffective in the type of neighborhoods LeBron's school is targeting. I hope this model is successful because I think it could greatly benefit under-served communities.

forapurpose 8y ago

> Finland has a ... very homogeneous population I don't know this to be true or false, but is there any evidence of it? And is there any evidence that it has an effect on educational effectiveness? I wouldn't expect an effect; people learn to read, write and do math in K-12 all over the world.