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You seem to have this all figured out then, so let me ask, approximately what point beyond your retirement will all of this happen? And I say "beyond your retir

You seem to have this all figured out then, so let me ask, approximately what point beyond your retirement will all of this happen? And I say "beyond your retirement" because that is the time you will probably give me, a time you won't have to worry about anyone taking you to task on your faulty science.

jorisw 8y ago
What's faulty about his science?
- arglinugs 8y ago
  There is no proof humans are causing doomsday levels of climate change through CO2 emissions (literal plant fertilizer, the shit I brew and inject into my fish tank to grow plants). What is demonstrable in a lab is going to be much harder to prove for a whole planet. People should not just accept what these people say as gospel, we have had 30-40 years of doomsday warnings from these people and nothing, absolutely nothing has happened. In addition, we as humans will not be stuck burning CO2 forever, eventually Nuclear and/or Fusion will be perfected to a point that there will be no going back to burning dinosaur oil for fuel.
  - mullen 8y ago
    > There is no proof humans are causing doomsday levels of climate change through CO2 emissions Not true at all. We have plenty of evidence that humans are causing the rise of C02 emissions. Just simply look at the C14 (Carbon 14) and C12/13 (Carbon 12 and Carbon 13) ratios in the atmosphere. These give a clear signal what is causing the rise of carbon and where the carbon is coming from. > People should not just accept what these people say as gospel, we have had 30-40 years of doomsday warnings from these people Yes, and right now, the predictions from the credible scientists are showing to be true. Their predictions were not end of the world in 30-40 years, but we would start to see the effects of climate change, and we are starting to see the effects of climate change.
  - kerbalspacepro 8y ago
    We've actually had more than 100 years of doomsday warnings, that doesn't mean "nothing happened" if each warning is for a specific set of dates. If I say, "There will be a fire in your house in one year" and then in six months I say, "There will be a fire in your house in half-a-year" that doesn't mean my prediction should be devalued. Re: Alternative energy: It doesn't matter if fusion/nuclear/any renewable is "perfected" if Carbon Dioxide is at such high levels that every air conditioning unit needs a CO2 scrubber attached because outdoor the concentration reaches 1000ppm and people's brains literally start to get dumber.
  - maccard 8y ago
    > What is demonstrable in a lab is going to be much harder to prove for a whole planet So what you're saying is that the proof that we have in labs isn't good enough for you? > we have had 30-40 years of doomsday warnings from these people and nothing, absolutely nothing has happened. What do you classify as nothing? We've shown that the ice caps are melting [0], that temperatures are increasing rapidly across the globe [1], sea walls are being built to stop cities from flooding [2] [3]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8auMIfF50Ng&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8auMIfF50Ng&feature=youtu.be [1] https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/photography/indonesia-sinking-flooding-climate-change-environmental-destruction-photography-a8245601.html https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/photography... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vj8m0Nqr7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vj8m0Nqr7s
  - jorisw 8y ago
    Something tells me you haven't read the article, much less anything else on the subject.
kerbalspacepro 8y ago
We have reason to believe it's happening now! Besides the AGW signal in the temperature spread, there's now a AGW signal in hurricane behavior and precipitation patterns. It's happening now! That's the point of the article! Did you even read it?
- frockington 8y ago
  We have reason to believe that ice caps will melt and NYC will be underwater by 2012. - An Inconvenient Truth
  - mullen 8y ago
    And last time I checked, Al Gore was not a scientists.
  - mturmon 8y ago
    There are two claims here (ice caps melt + NYC underwater). I don't think either is even something claimed by the movie, which is a movie. And it's certainly not peer-reviewed science. (Reference for ice caps claim: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/, and note, "caps" as you wrote it would imply the entire Antarctic was melting by 2012, which is of course crazy.)
  - kerbalspacepro 8y ago
    Nice red herring, dude.
  - jellicle 8y ago
    An Inconvenient Truth - which was released in 2006 - does not say anything like your supposed quote. Don't lie.

jorisw 8y ago

What's faulty about his science?

arglinugs 8y ago
There is no proof humans are causing doomsday levels of climate change through CO2 emissions (literal plant fertilizer, the shit I brew and inject into my fish tank to grow plants). What is demonstrable in a lab is going to be much harder to prove for a whole planet. People should not just accept what these people say as gospel, we have had 30-40 years of doomsday warnings from these people and nothing, absolutely nothing has happened. In addition, we as humans will not be stuck burning CO2 forever, eventually Nuclear and/or Fusion will be perfected to a point that there will be no going back to burning dinosaur oil for fuel.
- mullen 8y ago
  > There is no proof humans are causing doomsday levels of climate change through CO2 emissions Not true at all. We have plenty of evidence that humans are causing the rise of C02 emissions. Just simply look at the C14 (Carbon 14) and C12/13 (Carbon 12 and Carbon 13) ratios in the atmosphere. These give a clear signal what is causing the rise of carbon and where the carbon is coming from. > People should not just accept what these people say as gospel, we have had 30-40 years of doomsday warnings from these people Yes, and right now, the predictions from the credible scientists are showing to be true. Their predictions were not end of the world in 30-40 years, but we would start to see the effects of climate change, and we are starting to see the effects of climate change.
- kerbalspacepro 8y ago
  We've actually had more than 100 years of doomsday warnings, that doesn't mean "nothing happened" if each warning is for a specific set of dates. If I say, "There will be a fire in your house in one year" and then in six months I say, "There will be a fire in your house in half-a-year" that doesn't mean my prediction should be devalued. Re: Alternative energy: It doesn't matter if fusion/nuclear/any renewable is "perfected" if Carbon Dioxide is at such high levels that every air conditioning unit needs a CO2 scrubber attached because outdoor the concentration reaches 1000ppm and people's brains literally start to get dumber.
- maccard 8y ago
  > What is demonstrable in a lab is going to be much harder to prove for a whole planet So what you're saying is that the proof that we have in labs isn't good enough for you? > we have had 30-40 years of doomsday warnings from these people and nothing, absolutely nothing has happened. What do you classify as nothing? We've shown that the ice caps are melting [0], that temperatures are increasing rapidly across the globe [1], sea walls are being built to stop cities from flooding [2] [3]. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8auMIfF50Ng&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8auMIfF50Ng&feature=youtu.be [1] https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/ [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/photography/indonesia-sinking-flooding-climate-change-environmental-destruction-photography-a8245601.html https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/photography... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vj8m0Nqr7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vj8m0Nqr7s
- jorisw 8y ago
  Something tells me you haven't read the article, much less anything else on the subject.

kerbalspacepro 8y ago

We have reason to believe it's happening now! Besides the AGW signal in the temperature spread, there's now a AGW signal in hurricane behavior and precipitation patterns. It's happening now! That's the point of the article! Did you even read it?

frockington 8y ago
We have reason to believe that ice caps will melt and NYC will be underwater by 2012. - An Inconvenient Truth
- mullen 8y ago
  And last time I checked, Al Gore was not a scientists.
- mturmon 8y ago
  There are two claims here (ice caps melt + NYC underwater). I don't think either is even something claimed by the movie, which is a movie. And it's certainly not peer-reviewed science. (Reference for ice caps claim: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/, and note, "caps" as you wrote it would imply the entire Antarctic was melting by 2012, which is of course crazy.)
- kerbalspacepro 8y ago
  Nice red herring, dude.
- jellicle 8y ago
  An Inconvenient Truth - which was released in 2006 - does not say anything like your supposed quote. Don't lie.