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Warren is academic expert bankruptcy and commercial law. She is third most cited academic in her specialty. She is pretty good at economics especially when

Warren is academic expert bankruptcy and commercial law. She is third most cited academic in her specialty. She is pretty good at economics especially when it comes to consumer behavior and one of the best politicians overall. "The Vanishing Middle Class" (2007) is a good book.

BurningFrog 8y ago
Warren is a lawyer, not an economist. Her academic career in that field is very impressive, but that has nothing to with an understanding of the science of Economics, which is notoriously full of counterintuitive and misunderstood truths.
- Nokinside 8y ago
  You understand economics very narrowly if you use that as the only basis of your ad hominem. Warren worked in the field where she needed good economic knowledge.
  - naravara 8y ago
    >You understand economics very narrowly if you use that as the only basis of your ad hominem. The poster doesn't understand economics at all if they think changes in relative housing prices don't affect housing supply.
  - SamReidHughes 8y ago
    I occasionally hear of Warren making statements, about economic matters, that are completely detached from reality. The problem isn't knowledge, it's judgement.
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- erikpukinskis 8y ago
  This is a fallacious appeal to authority. Credentialed economists are not the only people who can make claims about economics. If you can substantively debate her assertion then please do. Otherwise you are not contributing.
  - tonysdg 8y ago
    Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean, but isn't this the exact opposite of an appeal to authority? The claim is that she's not qualified because she's not a credentialed economist. (I'm not familiar enough with Ms. Warren's background to have a substantiated opinion either way, though I certainly don't doubt her intelligence.)
    - erikpukinskis 8y ago
      It’s an appeal to the authority of the economics establishment. Because Sen. Warren doesn’t teach at one of few named Economics institutions she is not allowed to speak on matters of economics.
      - gizmo686 8y ago
        Nokinside made an appeal to authority when he described Senator Warren's qualifications. BurningFrog is arguing that that is not correct because Senator Warren is not an authority in the first place. You could still argue that she is correct; but (assuming BurningFrog's judgements on her qualifications), that arguement must be on the merits of her arguements, not her qualifications.
        erikpukinskis 8y ago
        She is qualified to speak on the matter. not as a credentialed economist, but as a legal scholar and a legislator.
  - BurningFrog 8y ago
    It seems you didn't read the comment I was responding to? In it, Nokinside claimed that Warren is an expert in Economics due to her academic career. That's what I'm arguing against. I of course agree that people from any background, including Warren's, can make claims about Economics that should be discussed on their merits, not dismissed (or accepted...) because of the speaker's academic background.
fhood 8y ago
She is also a consummate politician, who has been known to say misleading and inflammatory things for political gain. She has also been busy steaming leftwards, a move that may endear her to young hyper-liberal voters, but does very little to help my country move past the political chasm that has opened up, and is crippling our government. I don't think that she is a bad person, but I do believe that she is bad for American politics right now.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  This. I liked her when she primarily concerned herself with consumer advocacy.
- awelkie 8y ago
  Not to get too off topic, but I have a hard time blaming the left for the current political divide in the United States. Saying that someone who pushes leftwards is bad for American politics because they're not closer to the "center" seems like promoting a false equivalence.
  - fhood 8y ago
    I agree, and I don't blame the left as much as I blame the right. I do however think that exacerbating the divide is a bad thing.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      But anything but going closer to the Right is "exacerbating the divide."
  - Dirlewanger 8y ago
    If you don't think both sides play a part in the precipitous spike in polarizing political discourse, then frankly you are ignorant.
    - eropple 8y ago
anonuser123456 8y ago
The fact that she is an expert in bankruptcy and commercial law should make you extremely skeptical of her economics credentials. She spends her time in that domain, not the domain of macroeconomics.

BurningFrog 8y ago

Warren is a lawyer, not an economist. Her academic career in that field is very impressive, but that has nothing to with an understanding of the science of Economics, which is notoriously full of counterintuitive and misunderstood truths.

Nokinside 8y ago
You understand economics very narrowly if you use that as the only basis of your ad hominem. Warren worked in the field where she needed good economic knowledge.
- naravara 8y ago
  >You understand economics very narrowly if you use that as the only basis of your ad hominem. The poster doesn't understand economics at all if they think changes in relative housing prices don't affect housing supply.
- SamReidHughes 8y ago
  I occasionally hear of Warren making statements, about economic matters, that are completely detached from reality. The problem isn't knowledge, it's judgement.
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erikpukinskis 8y ago
This is a fallacious appeal to authority. Credentialed economists are not the only people who can make claims about economics. If you can substantively debate her assertion then please do. Otherwise you are not contributing.
- tonysdg 8y ago
  Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean, but isn't this the exact opposite of an appeal to authority? The claim is that she's not qualified because she's not a credentialed economist. (I'm not familiar enough with Ms. Warren's background to have a substantiated opinion either way, though I certainly don't doubt her intelligence.)
  - erikpukinskis 8y ago
    It’s an appeal to the authority of the economics establishment. Because Sen. Warren doesn’t teach at one of few named Economics institutions she is not allowed to speak on matters of economics.
    - gizmo686 8y ago
      Nokinside made an appeal to authority when he described Senator Warren's qualifications. BurningFrog is arguing that that is not correct because Senator Warren is not an authority in the first place. You could still argue that she is correct; but (assuming BurningFrog's judgements on her qualifications), that arguement must be on the merits of her arguements, not her qualifications.
      - erikpukinskis 8y ago
        She is qualified to speak on the matter. not as a credentialed economist, but as a legal scholar and a legislator.
- BurningFrog 8y ago
  It seems you didn't read the comment I was responding to? In it, Nokinside claimed that Warren is an expert in Economics due to her academic career. That's what I'm arguing against. I of course agree that people from any background, including Warren's, can make claims about Economics that should be discussed on their merits, not dismissed (or accepted...) because of the speaker's academic background.

fhood 8y ago

She is also a consummate politician, who has been known to say misleading and inflammatory things for political gain. She has also been busy steaming leftwards, a move that may endear her to young hyper-liberal voters, but does very little to help my country move past the political chasm that has opened up, and is crippling our government. I don't think that she is a bad person, but I do believe that she is bad for American politics right now.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
This. I liked her when she primarily concerned herself with consumer advocacy.
awelkie 8y ago
Not to get too off topic, but I have a hard time blaming the left for the current political divide in the United States. Saying that someone who pushes leftwards is bad for American politics because they're not closer to the "center" seems like promoting a false equivalence.
- fhood 8y ago
  I agree, and I don't blame the left as much as I blame the right. I do however think that exacerbating the divide is a bad thing.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    But anything but going closer to the Right is "exacerbating the divide."
- Dirlewanger 8y ago
  If you don't think both sides play a part in the precipitous spike in polarizing political discourse, then frankly you are ignorant.
  - eropple 8y ago

anonuser123456 8y ago

The fact that she is an expert in bankruptcy and commercial law should make you extremely skeptical of her economics credentials. She spends her time in that domain, not the domain of macroeconomics.