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>Pasture is basically the Bureau of Land Management’s default use for the vast swaths of federal land. It’s like “here is this land, you’re allowed to graze on

>Pasture is basically the Bureau of Land Management’s default use for the vast swaths of federal land. It’s like “here is this land, you’re allowed to graze on it with a permit.” That doesn’t produce that many cows... And yet it is an incredibly destructive use of land for so few cows. BLM land is often shrubby desert and is not able to cope with the impacts of the cows and remain a healthy ecosystem.

TomMarius 8y ago
I think that the point was that only minority of this land is really used for this purpose.
- snowwrestler 8y ago
  No, the point was that using such land for grazing does not actually produce a high percentage of cattle raised for meat, vs. feedlots where cattle eat corn grown on farmland. From an ecosystem impact perspective, though, arid land that only occasionally hosts herds of cattle is still going to be significantly affected, compared to similar land that is protected from any commercial grazing.
nightski 8y ago
Isn't that true of pretty much any industrial farming even plants?
adbge 8y ago
I have the opposite impression, that the grazing of cows on this land is beneficial as it mimics the role the buffalo formerly played.
- cco 8y ago
  If and only if it's done correctly. Both the above statement and yours are true, it really depends a lot on how it's done. In most cases it's not done well.
  - xapata 8y ago
    To be more specific, the cows should take a bite and move on. This keeps the grass short, but doesn't kill it. With short grass, predators can see prey easier, so birds can eat and deposit droppings to add more nitrogen to the soil.
    - insensible 8y ago
      We can simulate buffalo mob grazing with "managed intensive grazing": many cows in a small area for about a day, then they move. In addition to what you said, it manures the land quite evenly. The grass can stay in its fastest-growing "adolescent" stage. Builds topsoil quickly and sequesters unbelievable amounts of carbon. (This is not how most beef is raised.)
      - yellowapple 8y ago
        "This is not how most beef is raised." It's how most beef should be raised, though, IMO. Unfortunately, if we were to take all the cows stuck in factory farms and turn them loose on BLM land, I somehow doubt there would be enough food out there for them.
        insensible 8y ago
        Grass-feed cattle farmers tell me it takes almost exactly the same amount of land to graze cows as it does to grow the grain to feed them in a feedlot, so that would be a direction to look: replacing grain farming with ecological grazing.

TomMarius 8y ago

I think that the point was that only minority of this land is really used for this purpose.

snowwrestler 8y ago
No, the point was that using such land for grazing does not actually produce a high percentage of cattle raised for meat, vs. feedlots where cattle eat corn grown on farmland. From an ecosystem impact perspective, though, arid land that only occasionally hosts herds of cattle is still going to be significantly affected, compared to similar land that is protected from any commercial grazing.

nightski 8y ago

Isn't that true of pretty much any industrial farming even plants?

adbge 8y ago

I have the opposite impression, that the grazing of cows on this land is beneficial as it mimics the role the buffalo formerly played.

cco 8y ago
If and only if it's done correctly. Both the above statement and yours are true, it really depends a lot on how it's done. In most cases it's not done well.
- xapata 8y ago
  To be more specific, the cows should take a bite and move on. This keeps the grass short, but doesn't kill it. With short grass, predators can see prey easier, so birds can eat and deposit droppings to add more nitrogen to the soil.
  - insensible 8y ago
    We can simulate buffalo mob grazing with "managed intensive grazing": many cows in a small area for about a day, then they move. In addition to what you said, it manures the land quite evenly. The grass can stay in its fastest-growing "adolescent" stage. Builds topsoil quickly and sequesters unbelievable amounts of carbon. (This is not how most beef is raised.)
    - yellowapple 8y ago
      "This is not how most beef is raised." It's how most beef should be raised, though, IMO. Unfortunately, if we were to take all the cows stuck in factory farms and turn them loose on BLM land, I somehow doubt there would be enough food out there for them.
      - insensible 8y ago
        Grass-feed cattle farmers tell me it takes almost exactly the same amount of land to graze cows as it does to grow the grain to feed them in a feedlot, so that would be a direction to look: replacing grain farming with ecological grazing.