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When Tim Cook backs China’s vision of an ‘open’ Internet in a Chinese forum, HN says that at least Apple is providing some service to the Chinese users, who wil
by enitihas 8y ago
When Tim Cook backs China’s vision of an ‘open’ Internet in a Chinese forum, HN says that at least Apple is providing some service to the Chinese users, who will have worse services if apple drops out of China. Apple routinely blocks apps on the request of the Chinese government. But if Goole too decides to provides services to China, in accordance with Chinese law, the reaction is so different here. Not taking any sides here, just highlighting the different ways different companies are judged on HN.
- chadmeister 8y agoYou got any links to some of those discussions with such overwhelming support for censorship on HN? Because your claim doesn't sound even remotely true from my own personal experience on here. Your response does however sound like a typrical Whataboutism comment on here.
- enitihas 8y agoSee the top comment on this thread(and other comments too) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16414703 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16414703. I am not able to find the HN thread on Tim Cook's comments, but here is a WaPo link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/04/apple-ceo-backs-chinas-vision-of-an-open-internet-as-censorship-reaches-new-heights/?utm_term=.5e7331c4a9c9 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/12/04... For some more info on apple helping censorship in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_the_iTunes_Store#China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_the_iTunes_Store... I am not saying Apple is wrong in choosing to operate in a very lucrative market, but just that other companies are no worse than Apple.
- kodablah 8y agoThe top-level comment is not representative because sub comments may be voted higher. It is unfortunate that you base your opinion on a site by top-level comments instead of top-quality ones. I have unwaveringly been against Apple's approach here, made it clear in posts like the one you linked to, and yet still as a whole we're branded. It seems the real problem is volume (in frequency and loudness) and the inability for people to look beyond it.
- blub 8y agoHN is not an entity that says things, you're referring to specific people. Yeah, it is known that there are many supporting various despicable practices. If you cared about doing the right thing instead of keeping score you would support this criticism of Google (and also criticize Apple and others).
- enitihas 8y agoThe point of highlighting Apple's behaviour is not to discount Google's, or to prove an aggregate bias in HN's comments, but to put to light the fact that another corporation much respected for it's stance on privacy as a fundamental right does similar things. It helps in collating the big picture(which does indeed look bleak), which may get lost amidst voices criticising the behaviour of a single corporation.
- xvector 8y agoBut I think you're missing that Apple's encryption model protects user data from hostile servers (Secure Enclave). Google's encryption model... does not.
- ksec 8y agoWell because Apple's main business isn't to provide access of information. And there is very little difference between an iPhone experience in China and iPhone experience to US. The same could not be said about Google.
- dang 8y agoI'm pretty sure this is sample bias. The things we disagree with are much more highlighted in our consciousness; people with the opposite views to yours will see the opposite patterns on HN. There's even a name for this, as an HN user pointed out to me a while ago: "hostile media effect". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22hostile%20media%20effect%22&sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0 https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22hostile%20media%20effect%22...