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> Typically, when we test experimental products to gauge their safety and efficacy, we engage in informed consent with the participating parties. The state con
by dnomad 8y ago
> Typically, when we test experimental products to gauge their safety and efficacy, we engage in informed consent with the participating parties.
The state consented on your behalf. You, in fact, automatically "consented" to all sorts of dangerous and dubious experiments, including democracy itself, when you became a resident. Though the entire idea that self-driving cars are dangerous and experimental has no basis in reality and by all accounts Waymo's cars are ridiculously safe, even if it were the case that they were dangerous Waymo is operating with the full blessings of the Arizona government.
> Society necessitates that people drive. Society does not necessitate that Company X gets autonomous vehicles on the roads by target date Y so that their investors are happy.
Of course society does not "necessitate" anything. Society is not some natural phenomenon like gravity that operates in necessity. And there are many, many people who would point out that they do not agree with and certainly do not consent to America's dangerous obsession with car ownership that kills 50k Americans a year and has tremendous economic and ecological consequences. But alas.
- pastage 8y agoYes the government gives consent here but what we argue is should that consent be withdrawn if deaths occurs or can occur.
- fucking_tragedy 8y agoThe social contract is not carte blanche allowance for anything to happen. There's a feedback loop involved, in which the governed can give or revoke consent. > Society is not some natural phenomenon like gravity that operates in necessity. However, people are driven by natural phenomenon like the conservation of energy, and thus need to eat. For most people in the US, if they want to eat, it is necessary to drive to work. > And there are many, many people who would point out that they do not agree with and certainly do not consent to America's dangerous obsession You're speaking to one of them.