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Could you explain what about this explanation you find the least bit reassuring?

by irons 16y ago

tonystubblebine 16y ago
The NIC.ly statement shows a clear understanding of user generated content. VB was shut down because it's purpose is expressly against the TOS. Bit.ly is safe because it's purpose is clearly not. Also, I've heard other cases of VB trolling for publicity and assumed that they weren't giving a complete explanation. For example, the initial reports from VB focused on the arbitrary nature of the decision, which I think is contradicted by NIC.ly contacting them beforehand.
- dotBen 16y ago
  The NIC.ly statement shows a clear understanding of user generated content. Can you help me out with that - cos I received the statement personally (I was a co-owner) and I'm not at all clear how this doesn't preclude user generated content. Perhaps you'd like to highlight your other issues with what has happened here. If you think we're "trolling" for interest then consider the extent and fallout of what has happened from this - Mitt Romney has removed his Mitt.ly shortener, this has been picked up by major news - we're not the only ones that are highly concerned. Feel free to ask me here whatever you like about the situation here
  - tonystubblebine 16y ago
    I lost a lot of respect for Violet Blue in the dust up with Boing Boing. http://boingboing.net/2008/07/01/that-violet-blue-thi.html http://boingboing.net/2008/07/01/that-violet-blue-thi.html I don't see how Mitt's decision is evidence. It could just as easily mean that you've successfully created a scare story that was big enough to scare his tech team. If there's a history here that doesn't involve you guys, I'd like to know it. But your involvement doesn't carry any credibility with me.
    - dotBen 16y ago
      well, you've just slighted both Violet and kinda myself without any real substance or explanation - it comes across bit troll-ish to be honest. It's a shame cos I quite like the Crowdvine product and being in that space I'd have thought you'd be more considerate of constructive + meaningful contribution to community discussion. If you have something to add or ask on this original topic, vb.ly, I'm happy to participate and respond.
- irons 16y ago
  The subsequent clarification that the proximate cause of the takedown was a photo of "a scantily clad lady with a bottle in her hand" seems to undermine your certainty that any particular .ly business model is safe. http://www.flickr.com/photos/violetblue/3838601847/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/violetblue/3838601847/ http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/10/libya-beginning-to-police-ly-domains-for-morality.ars http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/10/libya-beginning-to-p...

Could you explain what about this explanation you find the least bit reassuring?

by irons 16y ago

Could you explain what about this explanation you find the least bit reassuring?

The NIC.ly statement shows a clear understanding of user generated content. VB was shut down because it's purpose is expressly against the TOS. Bit.ly is safe because it's purpose is clearly not. Also, I've heard other cases of VB trolling for publicity and assumed that they weren't giving a complete explanation. For example, the initial reports from VB focused on the arbitrary nature of the decision, which I think is contradicted by NIC.ly contacting them beforehand.

dotBen 16y ago
The NIC.ly statement shows a clear understanding of user generated content. Can you help me out with that - cos I received the statement personally (I was a co-owner) and I'm not at all clear how this doesn't preclude user generated content. Perhaps you'd like to highlight your other issues with what has happened here. If you think we're "trolling" for interest then consider the extent and fallout of what has happened from this - Mitt Romney has removed his Mitt.ly shortener, this has been picked up by major news - we're not the only ones that are highly concerned. Feel free to ask me here whatever you like about the situation here
- tonystubblebine 16y ago
  I lost a lot of respect for Violet Blue in the dust up with Boing Boing. http://boingboing.net/2008/07/01/that-violet-blue-thi.html http://boingboing.net/2008/07/01/that-violet-blue-thi.html I don't see how Mitt's decision is evidence. It could just as easily mean that you've successfully created a scare story that was big enough to scare his tech team. If there's a history here that doesn't involve you guys, I'd like to know it. But your involvement doesn't carry any credibility with me.
  - dotBen 16y ago
    well, you've just slighted both Violet and kinda myself without any real substance or explanation - it comes across bit troll-ish to be honest. It's a shame cos I quite like the Crowdvine product and being in that space I'd have thought you'd be more considerate of constructive + meaningful contribution to community discussion. If you have something to add or ask on this original topic, vb.ly, I'm happy to participate and respond.
irons 16y ago
The subsequent clarification that the proximate cause of the takedown was a photo of "a scantily clad lady with a bottle in her hand" seems to undermine your certainty that any particular .ly business model is safe. http://www.flickr.com/photos/violetblue/3838601847/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/violetblue/3838601847/ http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/10/libya-beginning-to-police-ly-domains-for-morality.ars http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2010/10/libya-beginning-to-p...