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>Or are you trying to argue that evidence of possible Russian influence over one candidate, by its very existence, is evidence that they don't have influence ov
by equalunique 8y ago
>Or are you trying to argue that evidence of possible Russian influence over one candidate, by its very existence, is evidence that they don't have influence over that candidate?
No. It's possible evidence - some of it is verifiable while other parts are simply allegations.
Can you prove that the part in the dossier about the hotel orgy was not a disinformation campaign used on western intelligence?
- MaysonL 8y agoHas any part of the dossier been proven false? Not so far as I know. Has any part of the dossier been proven true? Yes.
- gfodor 8y ago^^ Comments like this continue to be stunning in how easily someone can toss out basic critical reasoning like knowing where the burden of proof lies when it comes to politics.
- equalunique 8y agoIf I claim MaysonL wore a blue shirt when this comment was made on HN, odds are that nobody can prove my claim is 100% false, and yet part of my claim is proven true, because here you are, and therefore all must believe me. This is your logic.
- nasredin 8y agoMy mental framework to study this issue is equally simple, just a single question: Is President Trump the type of dude that would be into golden showers?
- 18pfsmt 8y agoI'm pretty sure the Steele dossier was not made public until Jan. 10, 2017 (i.e. after the election): https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-trump-has-deep-ties-to-russia https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/these-reports-allege-t...
- SimbaOnSteroids 8y agoFurthermore it was raw intelligence not meant for public consumption.
- programmarchy 8y agoBut wasn’t the Steele dossier used to get a FISA warrant to spy on the campaign, after the original request was denied? Politicizing the intelligence apparatus would be highly disturbing, even moreso than when the Obama administration apparently used the IRS to target political opponents [1] like the tea party. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy
- equalunique 8y agoUpvoted. I hope your comment does not get flagged like mine have been.
- evunveot 8y agoSteele was shopping it around to media outlets extensively before the election, and Mother Jones reported on it on October 31, 2016: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gav...