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Whilst there may not be a perfect correlation between punctuality and efficiency, I'd suggest that it seems likely punctuality in business is more likely to be

Whilst there may not be a perfect correlation between punctuality and efficiency, I'd suggest that it seems likely punctuality in business is more likely to be efficient than not. For example if you have 10 people attending a meeting and all must wait till they are present before starting (a very common occurrance) having all 10 people turn up promptly is more efficient than having 1-9 people waiting for the remainder of the attendees to arrive.

coldtea 8y ago
>Whilst there may not be a perfect correlation between punctuality and efficiency, I'd suggest that it seems likely punctuality in business is more likely to be efficient than not. Efficient towards what, and what for? Those are good questions seldom asked.
- raesene9 8y ago
  Efficiency in terms of not wasting people's time. The ability in business for people to complete tasks in-line with when they were expected allows for better scheduling. I'm not suggesting that everything in business benefits from being regimented but that meeting expectations allows for others to plan their time effectively. Time where people are waiting for others to do work which should have been completed can often be wasted.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >Efficiency in terms of not wasting people's time. Then you must first consider the need to have the business or meeting in the first place. In fact, people's time is only "wasted" because it has been made precious -- i.e. because it was stolen and/or sold. That's way more wasted time (they'll never get again) there, than in "wasting time" by not being punctual. Societies studied by ethnologists had little care for punctuality. In fact the same was true for rural societies in Europe and the US as well (the US South was considered "lazy" and without a "sense of time" as well), and even urban life before the tyranny of the modern "always on" demands. For the upper classes, being fashionably late was a virtue.
    - raesene9 8y ago
      Sure as I mentioned elsewhere I'm not arguing that meetings are an unalloyed good, what I am arguing is that where they are held, it is better that people are punctual, rather that non-punctual, and that there is improved efficiency relatively where participants are punctual.
falsedan 8y ago
Even more efficient is: starting the meeting anyway; publishing minutes so people can choose to attend or not; inviting fewer attendees; not having meetings about things which can be resolved by the teams talking directly to each other in their day-to-day work.
- cableshaft 8y ago
  Yeah, it's a mistake to think that a meeting is always the most efficient way of doing things. Every meeting held costs the company thousands of dollars as people are not able to do other things during it, and so many companies just don't even think twice about adding anyone and everyone and don't think of how much it's costing them in productivity lost to other things because they just always assume that meetings are the best way to get things done. I think it would be better if meetings were seen as the expensive beasts they are and only the bare minimum of people that can attend it, should attend it, and it should be considered (especially with routine meetings) whether or not the meetings even need to be held in the first place.
- raesene9 8y ago
  Oh absolutely, I'm not suggesting that meetings are always well run or indeed necessary, but where they are held, time management is important to get people in and out as fast as possible, which improves efficiency.
moduspol 8y ago
It's honestly blowing my mind that this point even needs to be argued. Of course being on time correlates with efficiency. Have they ever looked up a store's hours before going there? Or gone to see a movie? Or met with someone else to do... anything? Or utilized public transit? Of course it can be argued that, in a cosmic sense, maybe society is more "efficient" toward people relaxing and enjoying life if that train doesn't leave for another 45 minutes because the conductor felt like sleeping in this morning. But at that point, it's not a meaningful discussion. Honestly it's difficult to imagine having the opposing view with any experience at all managing anything. Or even considering what it might be like to do so.
- raesene9 8y ago
  Indeed, it is a bit surprising to me that timeliness appears to be a debatable point in business.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >Honestly it's difficult to imagine having the opposing view with any experience at all managing anything. Or even considering what it might be like to do so. Yeah, how dare people disagree.
  - moduspol 8y ago
    Feel welcome to disagree--I just think you might feel differently with broader life experience or a more open mind.
    - OldSchoolJohnny 8y ago
      I think with broader life experience and a more open mind you would think the exact opposite to what you are espousing.
      - moduspol 8y ago
        Maybe you're right. What life experience(s) would help lead me to seeing it the other way?

coldtea 8y ago

>Whilst there may not be a perfect correlation between punctuality and efficiency, I'd suggest that it seems likely punctuality in business is more likely to be efficient than not. Efficient towards what, and what for? Those are good questions seldom asked.

raesene9 8y ago
Efficiency in terms of not wasting people's time. The ability in business for people to complete tasks in-line with when they were expected allows for better scheduling. I'm not suggesting that everything in business benefits from being regimented but that meeting expectations allows for others to plan their time effectively. Time where people are waiting for others to do work which should have been completed can often be wasted.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >Efficiency in terms of not wasting people's time. Then you must first consider the need to have the business or meeting in the first place. In fact, people's time is only "wasted" because it has been made precious -- i.e. because it was stolen and/or sold. That's way more wasted time (they'll never get again) there, than in "wasting time" by not being punctual. Societies studied by ethnologists had little care for punctuality. In fact the same was true for rural societies in Europe and the US as well (the US South was considered "lazy" and without a "sense of time" as well), and even urban life before the tyranny of the modern "always on" demands. For the upper classes, being fashionably late was a virtue.
  - raesene9 8y ago
    Sure as I mentioned elsewhere I'm not arguing that meetings are an unalloyed good, what I am arguing is that where they are held, it is better that people are punctual, rather that non-punctual, and that there is improved efficiency relatively where participants are punctual.

falsedan 8y ago

Even more efficient is: starting the meeting anyway; publishing minutes so people can choose to attend or not; inviting fewer attendees; not having meetings about things which can be resolved by the teams talking directly to each other in their day-to-day work.

cableshaft 8y ago
Yeah, it's a mistake to think that a meeting is always the most efficient way of doing things. Every meeting held costs the company thousands of dollars as people are not able to do other things during it, and so many companies just don't even think twice about adding anyone and everyone and don't think of how much it's costing them in productivity lost to other things because they just always assume that meetings are the best way to get things done. I think it would be better if meetings were seen as the expensive beasts they are and only the bare minimum of people that can attend it, should attend it, and it should be considered (especially with routine meetings) whether or not the meetings even need to be held in the first place.
raesene9 8y ago
Oh absolutely, I'm not suggesting that meetings are always well run or indeed necessary, but where they are held, time management is important to get people in and out as fast as possible, which improves efficiency.

moduspol 8y ago

It's honestly blowing my mind that this point even needs to be argued. Of course being on time correlates with efficiency. Have they ever looked up a store's hours before going there? Or gone to see a movie? Or met with someone else to do... anything? Or utilized public transit? Of course it can be argued that, in a cosmic sense, maybe society is more "efficient" toward people relaxing and enjoying life if that train doesn't leave for another 45 minutes because the conductor felt like sleeping in this morning. But at that point, it's not a meaningful discussion. Honestly it's difficult to imagine having the opposing view with any experience at all managing anything. Or even considering what it might be like to do so.

raesene9 8y ago
Indeed, it is a bit surprising to me that timeliness appears to be a debatable point in business.
coldtea 8y ago
>Honestly it's difficult to imagine having the opposing view with any experience at all managing anything. Or even considering what it might be like to do so. Yeah, how dare people disagree.
- moduspol 8y ago
  Feel welcome to disagree--I just think you might feel differently with broader life experience or a more open mind.
  - OldSchoolJohnny 8y ago
    I think with broader life experience and a more open mind you would think the exact opposite to what you are espousing.
    - moduspol 8y ago
      Maybe you're right. What life experience(s) would help lead me to seeing it the other way?