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> Stockton will give 100 residents Is it truly 100 random residents, not looking at income, race, etc? I suspect it is not, and they will exclude high wealth i

> Stockton will give 100 residents Is it truly 100 random residents, not looking at income, race, etc? I suspect it is not, and they will exclude high wealth individuals. Congratulations they've just reinvented wealthfare. > In Finland, a monthly stipend of 560 euros was given to 2,000 unemployed people between the ages of 25 and 58. Genius, let's only give unemployed people the stipend, thus demotivating people to work. Once again, reinvented unemployment. > "It is such a fundamental idea behind America that if you work hard, you can get ahead — and you certainly don't live in poverty. But that isn't true today, and it hasn't been true in the country for decades." This victim mentality is exactly what figures such as Jordan Peterson are pushing back against. So the thought process is, it is a rigged system, I am never going to be successful in America, so I am not going to try and do anything. What a preposterous outlook. I completely disagree with this flawed and cynical outlook of America.

willio58 8y ago
I think that it is very easy to think that giving people a baseline-income will take the motivation to work away from them, but there’s a reason there is so much interest in this area from the most philanthropic among us. Jordan Peterson would not be against the simple research and testing of this idea, in fact he would probably encourage it. The worst that we could find is that people somehow lose the motivation to be productive in a society that gives them a basic income. The best we could find is that when people have to worry less about surviving, first level of Maslow’s heirarchy stuff, that they are free to use their energy elsewhere and in different ways. Imagine the number of potentially influential people out there that are bogged down by the fact that their rent just went up 25$ per month and they can’t afford to pay it.
- DEADBEEFC0FFEE 8y ago
  Is one of the purposes of UBI, to take people out of the workforce, without horrendous social problems unemployment brings?
  - willio58 8y ago
    UBI is not at all aimed at taking people out of the work force. If you had basic food and possibly rent covered every month, would you just stop working? Forever? If so I think that says more about you than it does society as a whole.
firic 8y ago
Exactly! I read the entire article for the sole purpose of figuring out how they will distribute the money. IMO the only way I can see how they can implement it is by taking a small city and giving basic income to everyone in the city. Then you can tell how BI would effect rent, food prices, immigration. The only things this would miss is evaluating how it will effect dollar devaluation, but I guess experiments cannot be perfect.

willio58 8y ago

I think that it is very easy to think that giving people a baseline-income will take the motivation to work away from them, but there’s a reason there is so much interest in this area from the most philanthropic among us. Jordan Peterson would not be against the simple research and testing of this idea, in fact he would probably encourage it. The worst that we could find is that people somehow lose the motivation to be productive in a society that gives them a basic income. The best we could find is that when people have to worry less about surviving, first level of Maslow’s heirarchy stuff, that they are free to use their energy elsewhere and in different ways. Imagine the number of potentially influential people out there that are bogged down by the fact that their rent just went up 25$ per month and they can’t afford to pay it.

DEADBEEFC0FFEE 8y ago
Is one of the purposes of UBI, to take people out of the workforce, without horrendous social problems unemployment brings?
- willio58 8y ago
  UBI is not at all aimed at taking people out of the work force. If you had basic food and possibly rent covered every month, would you just stop working? Forever? If so I think that says more about you than it does society as a whole.

firic 8y ago

Exactly! I read the entire article for the sole purpose of figuring out how they will distribute the money. IMO the only way I can see how they can implement it is by taking a small city and giving basic income to everyone in the city. Then you can tell how BI would effect rent, food prices, immigration. The only things this would miss is evaluating how it will effect dollar devaluation, but I guess experiments cannot be perfect.