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"The patience to make something work in all versions of Internet Explorer." Ouch. You might lose a lot of candidates with this stipulation.

by verbeno 16y ago

revorad 16y ago
Without it, they will probably lose a lot of customers.
- cj 16y ago
  They're targeted toward small business owners... not companies with IT departments who won't upgrade IE.
elbrodeur 16y ago
I feel like for myself and the front end engineers I know it's just a begrudged reality of developing consumer facing products. I envy my friends who can stand to lose IE6 traffic, but my company can't and besides -- it's always a point of pride when the site looks almost perfect the first time you check it in a legacy browser like IE6. That being said, I hope they don't mean 5.5. :)
jlm382 16y ago
yeah, this is an unfortunate thing we have to deal with. A non trivial number of accountants (who are happy to refer inDinero to their clients), use internet explorer for some reason. Google Analytics shows that while < 15% are IE, in-person customer validation showed that our influencers were in that 15%. But on the bright side, someone who has the patience to do IE compatibility is someone we'd probably love to work with!
- limedaring 16y ago
  15% for IE, but what versions? There's vast differences between 9/8/7/6 (and 5.5, if you want to be masochistic).
jackowayed 16y ago
True story: I know a guy who's so used to writing cross-browser CSS that he gets things the way he wants in FF, then checks it in IE and it's usually right or needs very slight tweaking, which he of course knows how to do. He'd be a perfect candidate for the job if he weren't starting a company with me :) But I bet there are others out there like him.
- sahillavingia 16y ago
  I'm kinda the same way. I guess I got lucky with the way I learned, but rarely do I check my work in IE as I'm so sure it'll look fine (besides rounded corners and the like). I think anyone can get here, it just takes practice. :)
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    > but rarely do I check my work in IE as I'm so sure it'll look fine That's pretty scary. To me that sounds as though a programmer would say: "I hardly ever compile my code on BSD, I'm usually sure it'll work just fine" And I'd not believe him. In your case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time I'd urge you to test it anyway but that's from a programmers perspective again.
- limedaring 16y ago
  The best CSS/HTML developers should be like this — if you deal with fixing bugs in IE enough, you start writing code that prevents them in the first place while still looking awesome in standards-compliant browsers. Happy to say that I'm one of those — the day I discovered I could do this, I felt like I leveled up.
  - mikepurvis 16y ago
    That's pretty much how I am, even with Comet stuff now too, though JS in general is better across browsers. But really, for basic page layout, the rules around floats and position: relative and so-on really aren't that hard to remember.
p01nd3xt3r 16y ago
I use HTML Burger they are fast, cheap and it leaves me more time to code.

"The patience to make something work in all versions of Internet Explorer." Ouch. You might lose a lot of candidates with this stipulation.

by verbeno 16y ago

"The patience to make something work in all versions of Internet Explorer." Ouch. You might lose a lot of candidates with this stipulation.

revorad 16y ago

Without it, they will probably lose a lot of customers.

cj 16y ago
They're targeted toward small business owners... not companies with IT departments who won't upgrade IE.

elbrodeur 16y ago

I feel like for myself and the front end engineers I know it's just a begrudged reality of developing consumer facing products. I envy my friends who can stand to lose IE6 traffic, but my company can't and besides -- it's always a point of pride when the site looks almost perfect the first time you check it in a legacy browser like IE6. That being said, I hope they don't mean 5.5. :)

jlm382 16y ago

yeah, this is an unfortunate thing we have to deal with. A non trivial number of accountants (who are happy to refer inDinero to their clients), use internet explorer for some reason. Google Analytics shows that while < 15% are IE, in-person customer validation showed that our influencers were in that 15%. But on the bright side, someone who has the patience to do IE compatibility is someone we'd probably love to work with!

limedaring 16y ago
15% for IE, but what versions? There's vast differences between 9/8/7/6 (and 5.5, if you want to be masochistic).

jackowayed 16y ago

True story: I know a guy who's so used to writing cross-browser CSS that he gets things the way he wants in FF, then checks it in IE and it's usually right or needs very slight tweaking, which he of course knows how to do. He'd be a perfect candidate for the job if he weren't starting a company with me :) But I bet there are others out there like him.

sahillavingia 16y ago
I'm kinda the same way. I guess I got lucky with the way I learned, but rarely do I check my work in IE as I'm so sure it'll look fine (besides rounded corners and the like). I think anyone can get here, it just takes practice. :)
- jacquesm 16y ago
  > but rarely do I check my work in IE as I'm so sure it'll look fine That's pretty scary. To me that sounds as though a programmer would say: "I hardly ever compile my code on BSD, I'm usually sure it'll work just fine" And I'd not believe him. In your case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time I'd urge you to test it anyway but that's from a programmers perspective again.
limedaring 16y ago
The best CSS/HTML developers should be like this — if you deal with fixing bugs in IE enough, you start writing code that prevents them in the first place while still looking awesome in standards-compliant browsers. Happy to say that I'm one of those — the day I discovered I could do this, I felt like I leveled up.
- mikepurvis 16y ago
  That's pretty much how I am, even with Comet stuff now too, though JS in general is better across browsers. But really, for basic page layout, the rules around floats and position: relative and so-on really aren't that hard to remember.

p01nd3xt3r 16y ago

I use HTML Burger they are fast, cheap and it leaves me more time to code.