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De facto coup? I didn't say anything about anything remotely like that... How about when did Congress or the CIA in Washington, DC approve the purchase of the
by otakucode 8y ago
De facto coup? I didn't say anything about anything remotely like that... How about when did Congress or the CIA in Washington, DC approve the purchase of the Predator drones run for years in Pakistan and Yemen before people got wind of it and they signed up with the military to make the program semi-legit? They didn't. They just decided to buy a bunch of drones and start tele-killing people on their own. They got ahold of the drones somehow, and went for it. Who in DC approved the fake vaccination program? No one did. Permission was never asked for.
I'm not afraid of a 'deep state' or anything of the sort. I think it's just a bunch of people who realized that they have carte blanche to do literally whatever they want, and that no government on the planet can or will bring them to task. So they do what they want. There's certainly still a legitimate portion of the agency, those at Langley and all who run normal intelligence operations, but they don't seem to have much connection and certainly no control over those operating however they please with no regard for law.
I don't actually know how they jive their multitude of active operations destroying democratic movements (which are not conspiracy theories, I'm only referring to the documented ones). I presume, very cynically I suppose, that they have concluded that democracy is a nice story to tell the naive civilian children, but that in harsh reality there has to be 'hard men' in the shadows making 'hard decisions' and putting boots on some throats to construct and protect the artificial bubble of happiness the US enjoys. I think, very not cynically, that they are absolutely and completely wrong on this mark and that they are profoundly immoral and destructive to the world in general, including the US in their misguided quest. Democracy is right and works ok enough. The alternatives are indefensible philosophically.
When I hear things like about the drone program, I never understand why there isn't more controversy. The CIA is a CIVILIAN organization. They are in no way military or affiliated with the military. They have no mandate to execute military operations or use military resources, equipment, or tactics. It would seem to me that they committed some sort of fundamental and very cardinal error there...
- nl 8y agoI don’t know about most of your claims, but I do know about the drone program and you are so completely wrong about that it makes me question the rest of your unsourced statements. The CIA’s drone program had direct approval including explicit budget line items since the Clinton administration. the consequent need for repairs prompted a budgetary row between the Air Force and CIA, with, in hindsight, the measly sum of $3 million dollars further delaying the project and prompting direct budget amendments from the Clinton White House in the summer of 2000. The CIA’s use of drones for assignations started with direct presidential approval: The bureaucratic deadlock was broken on September 17, 2001 when Bush signed a finding that created a secret list of high-value targets that the CTC was authorized to kill https://www.lawfareblog.com/origins-drone-program https://www.lawfareblog.com/origins-drone-program
- nl 8y agoI can't edit this now, but I'd be pretty interested in the reasoning behind the downvotes. It's fine to be cynical about the CIA of course, but is it just that people don't like the CIA and so they downvote people pointing out actual completely sourced facts which make the CIA look just slightly less terrible? Because I think the inability to reconcile history with what people's views are is a pretty interesting thing.
- StarbuxRising 8y agoYou are just a mindless drone, CIA drone, troll, who is sitting in the Langley CIA Starbucks Division. I can read anything, and you're obviously a CIA PR cleaner. Don't trust the CIA mopping division.
- StarbuxRising 8y agoI know who the truck kind of troll you are. Enjoy your Mocca Latte Extra, bird Phoenix. You got it free, for trolling the public minds. The trucking mocca. Enjoy the truckery
- nl 8y agoHu?