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In case anyone is curious about L-Theanine, it's very often used by people with interest in Nootropics for focus along side caffeine. The Theanine-Caffeine stac

In case anyone is curious about L-Theanine, it's very often used by people with interest in Nootropics for focus along side caffeine. The Theanine-Caffeine stack is considered to be the sort of entry or gateway into nootropic territory.

matznerd 8y ago
Yes typical dosing ratio is 1:2 caffeine:theanine. With typical dosing being 100mg caffeine:200 mg l-theanine You can buy l-theanine pills and take it with coffee. If you'd like it from nature, Matcha has the highest L-theanine content. This is because L-theanine is an anti-oxidant made in the roots and sent to the leaves to prevent against damage from the sun. Matcha tea plants are kept in the shade for the last couple of months, so they build up the theanine and it is not used up. The full leaves are then ground up, but will only contain around 40 mg per serving, which is why I generally recommend supplementing it. Suntheanine has a patented form that is made in a biofermentation process that yields nearly 100% pure L-isomer theanine. Also interesting is that, while L-theanine the molecule wasn't "discovered" until 1949, the Japanese ceremonial tea scale has been for hundreds of years, organized by increasing levels of theanine content.
- adrianN 8y ago
  There are some cheaper tea varieties than Matcha that were also kept in the shade, e.g. Mecha, Kabusecha, Gyokuro.
- PascLeRasc 8y ago
  For some reason Suntheanine has no effect at all on me, though regular L-Theanine pills and even iced matcha or regular green tea all have huge effects.
evincarofautumn 8y ago
Out of curiosity, is there much discussion in that community of other xanthine stimulants like theophylline, theobromine, and 8-chlorotheophylline? I take dimenhydrinate = 1:1 diphenhydramine + 8-CTP to relieve nausea, and from the feel of it I’d like to try 8-CTP on its own (or in conjunction with L-thea) because (like theobromine) it seems to be nicely stimulating while give me less anxiety than caffeine. Seems to be fairly cheap at around USD 65¢/g from chemical supply companies, but I don’t know how much I really want to get into that “just buy it and try it” world if it (or something like it) is available OTC.
- ianai 8y ago
  The only problem with theobromine is I think it raises your heart rate. That seemed to trigger headaches for me. Love how it makes me feel otherwise.
  - p1necone 8y ago
    Theobromine is theorized to be what causes some people (I'm one of them) to get migraines from chocolate. Although the research in this area is very inconclusive afaik, it could even be placebo.
    - ianai 8y ago
      I believe it. But so many things are that way. Headaches suck.
- ninjakeyboard 8y ago
  I would be careful with dimenhydrainate as it is found to be related to dementia likely due to the fact that it's anticholinergic. It's basically the opposite of a nootropic.
  - evincarofautumn 8y ago
    Yeah. :/ I was aware of this already—thanks for bringing it up though, since I think it’s important that people be aware of it. Unfortunately I haven’t found an equally effective yet safer replacement for nausea & allergies. Ginger works pretty well, but iirc that’s because it’s also a mild anticholinergic/antihistamine.
- ninjakeyboard 8y ago
  Here is the info: https://www.webmd.com/allergies/news/20160509/anticholinergic-drugs-dementia-link https://www.webmd.com/allergies/news/20160509/anticholinergi... I would recommend avoiding anticholinergics!
gremlinsinc 8y ago
I can attest, I use Xenadrine (Weight loss supplement) for years now, not everyday or anything just when I'm finding my focus waning. Xenadrine has caffeine/green tea, hydroxycitric acid, and some other weight loss related herbs, but the caffeine/l-theanine is what I feel, deliver on the focus/mental energy. I've tried other caffeine products and l-theanine alone, nothing had that great effect as Xenadrine did, I'm not sure if maybe one of the other ingredients is a nootropic either, could be, I imagine, or could just be the quantities. Coffee and normal caffeine doesn't do much for attention/focus for me... but I drink way too much soda..or did.. (weaning off)... About to do keto for a few months.
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matznerd 8y ago

Yes typical dosing ratio is 1:2 caffeine:theanine. With typical dosing being 100mg caffeine:200 mg l-theanine You can buy l-theanine pills and take it with coffee. If you'd like it from nature, Matcha has the highest L-theanine content. This is because L-theanine is an anti-oxidant made in the roots and sent to the leaves to prevent against damage from the sun. Matcha tea plants are kept in the shade for the last couple of months, so they build up the theanine and it is not used up. The full leaves are then ground up, but will only contain around 40 mg per serving, which is why I generally recommend supplementing it. Suntheanine has a patented form that is made in a biofermentation process that yields nearly 100% pure L-isomer theanine. Also interesting is that, while L-theanine the molecule wasn't "discovered" until 1949, the Japanese ceremonial tea scale has been for hundreds of years, organized by increasing levels of theanine content.

adrianN 8y ago
There are some cheaper tea varieties than Matcha that were also kept in the shade, e.g. Mecha, Kabusecha, Gyokuro.
PascLeRasc 8y ago
For some reason Suntheanine has no effect at all on me, though regular L-Theanine pills and even iced matcha or regular green tea all have huge effects.

evincarofautumn 8y ago

Out of curiosity, is there much discussion in that community of other xanthine stimulants like theophylline, theobromine, and 8-chlorotheophylline? I take dimenhydrinate = 1:1 diphenhydramine + 8-CTP to relieve nausea, and from the feel of it I’d like to try 8-CTP on its own (or in conjunction with L-thea) because (like theobromine) it seems to be nicely stimulating while give me less anxiety than caffeine. Seems to be fairly cheap at around USD 65¢/g from chemical supply companies, but I don’t know how much I really want to get into that “just buy it and try it” world if it (or something like it) is available OTC.

ianai 8y ago
The only problem with theobromine is I think it raises your heart rate. That seemed to trigger headaches for me. Love how it makes me feel otherwise.
- p1necone 8y ago
  Theobromine is theorized to be what causes some people (I'm one of them) to get migraines from chocolate. Although the research in this area is very inconclusive afaik, it could even be placebo.
  - ianai 8y ago
    I believe it. But so many things are that way. Headaches suck.
ninjakeyboard 8y ago
I would be careful with dimenhydrainate as it is found to be related to dementia likely due to the fact that it's anticholinergic. It's basically the opposite of a nootropic.
- evincarofautumn 8y ago
  Yeah. :/ I was aware of this already—thanks for bringing it up though, since I think it’s important that people be aware of it. Unfortunately I haven’t found an equally effective yet safer replacement for nausea & allergies. Ginger works pretty well, but iirc that’s because it’s also a mild anticholinergic/antihistamine.
ninjakeyboard 8y ago
Here is the info: https://www.webmd.com/allergies/news/20160509/anticholinergic-drugs-dementia-link https://www.webmd.com/allergies/news/20160509/anticholinergi... I would recommend avoiding anticholinergics!

gremlinsinc 8y ago

I can attest, I use Xenadrine (Weight loss supplement) for years now, not everyday or anything just when I'm finding my focus waning. Xenadrine has caffeine/green tea, hydroxycitric acid, and some other weight loss related herbs, but the caffeine/l-theanine is what I feel, deliver on the focus/mental energy. I've tried other caffeine products and l-theanine alone, nothing had that great effect as Xenadrine did, I'm not sure if maybe one of the other ingredients is a nootropic either, could be, I imagine, or could just be the quantities. Coffee and normal caffeine doesn't do much for attention/focus for me... but I drink way too much soda..or did.. (weaning off)... About to do keto for a few months.

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