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InDinero (YC S10) seeking lead frontend engineer

58 points by jlm382 16y ago

verbeno 16y ago
"The patience to make something work in all versions of Internet Explorer." Ouch. You might lose a lot of candidates with this stipulation.
- revorad 16y ago
  Without it, they will probably lose a lot of customers.
  - cj 16y ago
    They're targeted toward small business owners... not companies with IT departments who won't upgrade IE.
- elbrodeur 16y ago
  I feel like for myself and the front end engineers I know it's just a begrudged reality of developing consumer facing products. I envy my friends who can stand to lose IE6 traffic, but my company can't and besides -- it's always a point of pride when the site looks almost perfect the first time you check it in a legacy browser like IE6. That being said, I hope they don't mean 5.5. :)
- jlm382 16y ago
  yeah, this is an unfortunate thing we have to deal with. A non trivial number of accountants (who are happy to refer inDinero to their clients), use internet explorer for some reason. Google Analytics shows that while < 15% are IE, in-person customer validation showed that our influencers were in that 15%. But on the bright side, someone who has the patience to do IE compatibility is someone we'd probably love to work with!
  - limedaring 16y ago
    15% for IE, but what versions? There's vast differences between 9/8/7/6 (and 5.5, if you want to be masochistic).
- jackowayed 16y ago
  True story: I know a guy who's so used to writing cross-browser CSS that he gets things the way he wants in FF, then checks it in IE and it's usually right or needs very slight tweaking, which he of course knows how to do. He'd be a perfect candidate for the job if he weren't starting a company with me :) But I bet there are others out there like him.
  - sahillavingia 16y ago
    I'm kinda the same way. I guess I got lucky with the way I learned, but rarely do I check my work in IE as I'm so sure it'll look fine (besides rounded corners and the like). I think anyone can get here, it just takes practice. :)
    - jacquesm 16y ago
      > but rarely do I check my work in IE as I'm so sure it'll look fine That's pretty scary. To me that sounds as though a programmer would say: "I hardly ever compile my code on BSD, I'm usually sure it'll work just fine" And I'd not believe him. In your case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time I'd urge you to test it anyway but that's from a programmers perspective again.
  - limedaring 16y ago
    The best CSS/HTML developers should be like this — if you deal with fixing bugs in IE enough, you start writing code that prevents them in the first place while still looking awesome in standards-compliant browsers. Happy to say that I'm one of those — the day I discovered I could do this, I felt like I leveled up.
    - mikepurvis 16y ago
      That's pretty much how I am, even with Comet stuff now too, though JS in general is better across browsers. But really, for basic page layout, the rules around floats and position: relative and so-on really aren't that hard to remember.
- p01nd3xt3r 16y ago
  I use HTML Burger they are fast, cheap and it leaves me more time to code.
someone_here 16y ago
So, where are they located? I can't find it anywhere on the site. A whois says Westchester CA (which is probably just a whoisguard location), and a "site:indinero.com Westchester" search doesn't turn up any results. What gives? Edit: I found a blog post that says they are "next to downtown Mountain View in California" http://blog.indinero.com/?p=129 http://blog.indinero.com/?p=129
- jlm382 16y ago
  "inDinero is a technology startup based in Mountain View, CA." I'll try to make this more bold in the job description - thanks someone_here !
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    Another advantage of having comments 'on' for a job posting. I think that when YC funded companies look for applicants with comments off they're signaling that they are afraid they'll be drawn in to a discussion of their product rather than of the job at hand, but that might just throw away more good stuff than bad stuff.
  - someone_here 16y ago
    Dur, I should have checked the job description.
numbchuckskills 16y ago
"Early engineer Borden Liu left his 6-figure job to join inDinero." -> Doesn't instill a lot of confidence in the reader. Instantly makes me wonder how much of a gamble the switch was.
JeffJenkins 16y ago
Thank you for posting this with comments enabled! It's nice to be able to see Q&A about the job posts. (I'd apply, but I'm both based in NY and happily employed at another startup)
grayrest 16y ago
This job description reads, at least to me, like the minimum requirements for any frontend developer position. It's not clear to me what makes this a lead position. I started to go on a rant about what job descriptions are generally missing, but then I clicked through the day in the life link and that basically answered my questions. Incorporate some of that onto the job page. As to what I liked: My personal primary factors in fit are the amount of autonomy (including hours), process overhead, and the fact that I care about user experience, tools, and code quality but not about making money. Put differently, I expect someone else to be worried about the what and when ($) but I generally want as much control over the how as I can get. That's not to say I want to be a cowboy coder, but autonomy is what makes coding a craft instead of just labor. Edit: I'm not really looking to apply, just happened to hit HN in between things and got annoyed.
BvS 16y ago
"BS/MS or equivalent in Computer Science required." Why?
- jlm382 16y ago
  Because we found that frontend developers were often reliant on backend developers for help... but most of this "backend" work doesn't require PHD level computer science abilities.
adrianscott 16y ago
psd conversion skills? doh!
bherms 16y ago
Almost done with my checkers :) edit: Link to checkers on github. Doing it fast. Will clean up and make jQuery plugin later. http://github.com/bradherman/inDinero----Checkers http://github.com/bradherman/inDinero----Checkers
bherms 16y ago
I'm not sure I understand the second engineering question... Would you mind clarifying a bit more? Thanks!

58 points by jlm382 16y ago

"The patience to make something work in all versions of Internet Explorer." Ouch. You might lose a lot of candidates with this stipulation.

revorad 16y ago
Without it, they will probably lose a lot of customers.
- cj 16y ago
  They're targeted toward small business owners... not companies with IT departments who won't upgrade IE.
elbrodeur 16y ago
I feel like for myself and the front end engineers I know it's just a begrudged reality of developing consumer facing products. I envy my friends who can stand to lose IE6 traffic, but my company can't and besides -- it's always a point of pride when the site looks almost perfect the first time you check it in a legacy browser like IE6. That being said, I hope they don't mean 5.5. :)
jlm382 16y ago
yeah, this is an unfortunate thing we have to deal with. A non trivial number of accountants (who are happy to refer inDinero to their clients), use internet explorer for some reason. Google Analytics shows that while < 15% are IE, in-person customer validation showed that our influencers were in that 15%. But on the bright side, someone who has the patience to do IE compatibility is someone we'd probably love to work with!
- limedaring 16y ago
  15% for IE, but what versions? There's vast differences between 9/8/7/6 (and 5.5, if you want to be masochistic).
jackowayed 16y ago
True story: I know a guy who's so used to writing cross-browser CSS that he gets things the way he wants in FF, then checks it in IE and it's usually right or needs very slight tweaking, which he of course knows how to do. He'd be a perfect candidate for the job if he weren't starting a company with me :) But I bet there are others out there like him.
- sahillavingia 16y ago
  I'm kinda the same way. I guess I got lucky with the way I learned, but rarely do I check my work in IE as I'm so sure it'll look fine (besides rounded corners and the like). I think anyone can get here, it just takes practice. :)
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    > but rarely do I check my work in IE as I'm so sure it'll look fine That's pretty scary. To me that sounds as though a programmer would say: "I hardly ever compile my code on BSD, I'm usually sure it'll work just fine" And I'd not believe him. In your case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time I'd urge you to test it anyway but that's from a programmers perspective again.
- limedaring 16y ago
  The best CSS/HTML developers should be like this — if you deal with fixing bugs in IE enough, you start writing code that prevents them in the first place while still looking awesome in standards-compliant browsers. Happy to say that I'm one of those — the day I discovered I could do this, I felt like I leveled up.
  - mikepurvis 16y ago
    That's pretty much how I am, even with Comet stuff now too, though JS in general is better across browsers. But really, for basic page layout, the rules around floats and position: relative and so-on really aren't that hard to remember.
p01nd3xt3r 16y ago
I use HTML Burger they are fast, cheap and it leaves me more time to code.

someone_here 16y ago

So, where are they located? I can't find it anywhere on the site. A whois says Westchester CA (which is probably just a whoisguard location), and a "site:indinero.com Westchester" search doesn't turn up any results. What gives? Edit: I found a blog post that says they are "next to downtown Mountain View in California" http://blog.indinero.com/?p=129 http://blog.indinero.com/?p=129

jlm382 16y ago
"inDinero is a technology startup based in Mountain View, CA." I'll try to make this more bold in the job description - thanks someone_here !
- jacquesm 16y ago
  Another advantage of having comments 'on' for a job posting. I think that when YC funded companies look for applicants with comments off they're signaling that they are afraid they'll be drawn in to a discussion of their product rather than of the job at hand, but that might just throw away more good stuff than bad stuff.
- someone_here 16y ago
  Dur, I should have checked the job description.

numbchuckskills 16y ago

"Early engineer Borden Liu left his 6-figure job to join inDinero." -> Doesn't instill a lot of confidence in the reader. Instantly makes me wonder how much of a gamble the switch was.

JeffJenkins 16y ago

Thank you for posting this with comments enabled! It's nice to be able to see Q&A about the job posts. (I'd apply, but I'm both based in NY and happily employed at another startup)

grayrest 16y ago

This job description reads, at least to me, like the minimum requirements for any frontend developer position. It's not clear to me what makes this a lead position. I started to go on a rant about what job descriptions are generally missing, but then I clicked through the day in the life link and that basically answered my questions. Incorporate some of that onto the job page. As to what I liked: My personal primary factors in fit are the amount of autonomy (including hours), process overhead, and the fact that I care about user experience, tools, and code quality but not about making money. Put differently, I expect someone else to be worried about the what and when ($) but I generally want as much control over the how as I can get. That's not to say I want to be a cowboy coder, but autonomy is what makes coding a craft instead of just labor. Edit: I'm not really looking to apply, just happened to hit HN in between things and got annoyed.

BvS 16y ago

"BS/MS or equivalent in Computer Science required." Why?

jlm382 16y ago
Because we found that frontend developers were often reliant on backend developers for help... but most of this "backend" work doesn't require PHD level computer science abilities.

adrianscott 16y ago

psd conversion skills? doh!

bherms 16y ago

Almost done with my checkers :) edit: Link to checkers on github. Doing it fast. Will clean up and make jQuery plugin later. http://github.com/bradherman/inDinero----Checkers http://github.com/bradherman/inDinero----Checkers

bherms 16y ago

I'm not sure I understand the second engineering question... Would you mind clarifying a bit more? Thanks!