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I run IdeaCheck.io [0], a similar service. I appreciate competition, but this looks like a quickly thrown together MVP without a real product. Have a look at th

I run IdeaCheck.io [0], a similar service. I appreciate competition, but this looks like a quickly thrown together MVP without a real product. Have a look at the graphs on the sample report [1] - it makes zero sense to present this information as a line chart. What is the significance of the 8 other data points on the chart that aren't labeled? What kind of metrics are "accuracy" and "feelings"? "My idea is 50% accurate?" From the landing page: "Are you opening a burger joint around the corner? Let us talk to the people from the office building in front of it, your potential customers!" Sorry, I can guarantee you that's not what you're doing. IdeaCheck uses a professional panel provider to find respondents. We negotiated a contract with this provider to provide entrepreneurs with access to the same class of market research that Fortune 100 companies use. We don't make any targeting claims that we can't deliver on. Yes, respondents are paid, but that doesn't incentivize them to be extra nice - they answer multiple random surveys each day (from different companies doing market research) and are paid for their time, not their opinion. In general, I like the idea of not paying respondents and actively searching for a small target niche, but at the same time you're introducing a non-response bias (you're spamming hundreds of people to receive 25 survey responses - those who reply aren't an accurate representation of the target audience) [0] https://www.ideacheck.io https://www.ideacheck.io [1] https://afteridea.com/app/index.php?id=5b396a5f4eb37 https://afteridea.com/app/index.php?id=5b396a5f4eb37

BartBoch 8y ago
Well, ok. I see you decided to attack me. OK. I am not interested in going into the fight with you, so I will answer just a few things I think people would like me to explain. "My idea is 50% accurate?" - the question "How accurately do you think this idea solves the problem?" should explain that. "Sorry, I can guarantee you that's not what you're doing." - great, how? "but at the same time you're introducing a non-response bias" - so according to you paying to pretty much-untargeted people to answer questions is better than getting some of the relevant people to fill out the survey? Interesting. "you're spamming hundreds of people to receive 25 survey responses" - it seems you know things I don't know then. I am not spamming people. I send them a request if they can fill out the survey to help a company. All of the people we contacted agreed to be contacted. Only because you have not managed to figure it out, does not mean other people haven't. I am OK with running at no profit, for now, to build the brand and get my name out. You can pretend like paid, barely targeted people are better than answers from real, targeted, unpaid people. But the reality is, that even if only certain % of people answer to our call, they are still targeted, and they beat paid survey takers by a mile. Very classy of you to post this kind of biased and offensive comment.
- CobrastanJorji 8y ago
  >>> "Are you opening a burger joint around the corner? Let us talk to the people from the office building in front of it, your potential customers!" >> Sorry, I can guarantee you that's not what you're doing. > great, how? Well...ARE you going to talk to the people from the office building in front of it?
  - BartBoch 8y ago
    I have mentioned it previously, I can target people working in a company in an office building and try to reach to them. So yeah, there is a good chance I will be able to do so.
    - ALittleLight 8y ago
      "A good chance I will be able to do so" is a very different thing from "Yes, I am doing this." A more accurate response would be "I'm not doing that." As a general note, the parent comment seems like genuine feedback. Your response to it is very petty and hostile. You should learn to take feedback better.
      - BartBoch 8y ago
        I agree I could handle this better. To my defense after handling a few hundred emails, sales messages, comments etc. my brain was melting. I was prepared for everything, besides hijacking my thread for self-promotion. My reaction obviously should be better.
- niko001 8y ago
  > Very classy of you to post this kind of biased and offensive comment. I don't know how my comment was "biased and offensive", I even said I liked the approach in general? I pointed out factual inaccuracies and things that don't make sense in your landing page copy and sample report, that's all. > I am not spamming people. I send them a request if they can fill out the survey to help a company. All of the people we contacted agreed to be contacted. I was using "spamming" in the sense of "mass-emailing people". This introduces a non-response bias. > the question "How accurately do you think this idea solves the problem?" should explain that. I still don't understand this question. Does a flower shop _accurately_ solve the need for floral gifts? It's just not a term I would use in this context, but ok, hopefully your survey respondents will understand what it means :). > Sorry, I can guarantee you that's not what you're doing." - great, how? Let's suppose I place an order for the following idea "I want to open up a burger food truck next to the AmeriCar Insurance office building in Chappaqua, NY" - this is your example on your landing page. No problem, right? Please don't make promises that you can't keep. I'm not saying one or the other approach is better - there's definitely a need for both, I just don't think that you can consistently deliver this. Good luck!
aqui_c 8y ago
My two cents in this discussion is that neither of the platforms tell how they get answers. On IndieHackers, ideacheck has been asked several times what panel its used, but was never disclosed. The same is true for afteridea. The fact that both have big claims and no evidence supporting their statement is at most curious.

BartBoch 8y ago

Well, ok. I see you decided to attack me. OK. I am not interested in going into the fight with you, so I will answer just a few things I think people would like me to explain. "My idea is 50% accurate?" - the question "How accurately do you think this idea solves the problem?" should explain that. "Sorry, I can guarantee you that's not what you're doing." - great, how? "but at the same time you're introducing a non-response bias" - so according to you paying to pretty much-untargeted people to answer questions is better than getting some of the relevant people to fill out the survey? Interesting. "you're spamming hundreds of people to receive 25 survey responses" - it seems you know things I don't know then. I am not spamming people. I send them a request if they can fill out the survey to help a company. All of the people we contacted agreed to be contacted. Only because you have not managed to figure it out, does not mean other people haven't. I am OK with running at no profit, for now, to build the brand and get my name out. You can pretend like paid, barely targeted people are better than answers from real, targeted, unpaid people. But the reality is, that even if only certain % of people answer to our call, they are still targeted, and they beat paid survey takers by a mile. Very classy of you to post this kind of biased and offensive comment.

CobrastanJorji 8y ago
>>> "Are you opening a burger joint around the corner? Let us talk to the people from the office building in front of it, your potential customers!" >> Sorry, I can guarantee you that's not what you're doing. > great, how? Well...ARE you going to talk to the people from the office building in front of it?
- BartBoch 8y ago
  I have mentioned it previously, I can target people working in a company in an office building and try to reach to them. So yeah, there is a good chance I will be able to do so.
  - ALittleLight 8y ago
    "A good chance I will be able to do so" is a very different thing from "Yes, I am doing this." A more accurate response would be "I'm not doing that." As a general note, the parent comment seems like genuine feedback. Your response to it is very petty and hostile. You should learn to take feedback better.
    - BartBoch 8y ago
      I agree I could handle this better. To my defense after handling a few hundred emails, sales messages, comments etc. my brain was melting. I was prepared for everything, besides hijacking my thread for self-promotion. My reaction obviously should be better.
niko001 8y ago
> Very classy of you to post this kind of biased and offensive comment. I don't know how my comment was "biased and offensive", I even said I liked the approach in general? I pointed out factual inaccuracies and things that don't make sense in your landing page copy and sample report, that's all. > I am not spamming people. I send them a request if they can fill out the survey to help a company. All of the people we contacted agreed to be contacted. I was using "spamming" in the sense of "mass-emailing people". This introduces a non-response bias. > the question "How accurately do you think this idea solves the problem?" should explain that. I still don't understand this question. Does a flower shop _accurately_ solve the need for floral gifts? It's just not a term I would use in this context, but ok, hopefully your survey respondents will understand what it means :). > Sorry, I can guarantee you that's not what you're doing." - great, how? Let's suppose I place an order for the following idea "I want to open up a burger food truck next to the AmeriCar Insurance office building in Chappaqua, NY" - this is your example on your landing page. No problem, right? Please don't make promises that you can't keep. I'm not saying one or the other approach is better - there's definitely a need for both, I just don't think that you can consistently deliver this. Good luck!

aqui_c 8y ago

My two cents in this discussion is that neither of the platforms tell how they get answers. On IndieHackers, ideacheck has been asked several times what panel its used, but was never disclosed. The same is true for afteridea. The fact that both have big claims and no evidence supporting their statement is at most curious.