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> I suspect that if you removed WordPress, Drupal, etc. from the calculation, you'd see PHP plummet to the bottom You can't just say "... if I ignore the ~30%

by icc97 8y ago

> I suspect that if you removed WordPress, Drupal, etc. from the calculation, you'd see PHP plummet to the bottom You can't just say "... if I ignore the ~30% of the internet that WordPress powers". But anyway, after that... Wikipedia, Laravel, Symphony, CakePHP. At the bottom of that pile... I built a CakePHP front end for a startup that after 8 years and was sold for $50m. Didn't require massive scaling, but the code had to be released on Windows servers in internet disconnected sites. The PHP code didn't require a single fix to production in the last 6 of the 8 years.

vesak 8y ago
> But anyway, after that... Wikipedia Granted. > Laravel, Symphony, CakePHP. These are frameworks. > I built a CakePHP front end for a startup that after 8 years and was sold for $50m. That startup was much more than just that front end, wasn't it?
- icc97 8y ago
  > That startup was much more than just that front end, wasn't it? It was what 99% of all customers saw, and it was practically bug free for 6 years. What else do you want? I built and maintained it primarily as a single developer. Yes there were other parts to the company, but both Slack and Facebook were started up purely on PHP - so there's no reason to suggest that you still can't build up $50m companies on purely PHP code. Anyway the discussion from the article is whether it would have been better to write it in Java. I can't see what benefit Java would bring.
  - vesak 8y ago
    > so there's no reason to suggest that you still can't build up $50m companies on purely PHP code. Yeah, that I agree with. The success of a company and the quality of the programming language(s) it uses are almost never linked. >Anyway the discussion from the article is whether it would have been better to write it in Java. I can't see what benefit Java would bring. Quite true, yes.
smt88 8y ago
I can and will say that we can ignore WordPress when suggesting that PHP is good because it's popular. The value of popularity for PHP comes from larger talent pools, better libraries, etc. WordPress doesn't contribute to those.

by icc97 8y ago

vesak 8y ago

> But anyway, after that... Wikipedia Granted. > Laravel, Symphony, CakePHP. These are frameworks. > I built a CakePHP front end for a startup that after 8 years and was sold for $50m. That startup was much more than just that front end, wasn't it?

icc97 8y ago
> That startup was much more than just that front end, wasn't it? It was what 99% of all customers saw, and it was practically bug free for 6 years. What else do you want? I built and maintained it primarily as a single developer. Yes there were other parts to the company, but both Slack and Facebook were started up purely on PHP - so there's no reason to suggest that you still can't build up $50m companies on purely PHP code. Anyway the discussion from the article is whether it would have been better to write it in Java. I can't see what benefit Java would bring.
- vesak 8y ago
  > so there's no reason to suggest that you still can't build up $50m companies on purely PHP code. Yeah, that I agree with. The success of a company and the quality of the programming language(s) it uses are almost never linked. >Anyway the discussion from the article is whether it would have been better to write it in Java. I can't see what benefit Java would bring. Quite true, yes.

smt88 8y ago

I can and will say that we can ignore WordPress when suggesting that PHP is good because it's popular. The value of popularity for PHP comes from larger talent pools, better libraries, etc. WordPress doesn't contribute to those.