Half the people commenting on HN are in some way or the other involved in spyware. Having a discussion on surveillance here does little more than dilute the dis

Half the people commenting on HN are in some way or the other involved in spyware. Having a discussion on surveillance here does little more than dilute the discussion, diminish the impact and provide a fig leaf of 'debate' when reality already confirms the choices made. Google, Facebook and others are SV darlings and large employers. HN is read mainly by software or startup folks, basic pragmatism means people will want to keep options open and not close doors. People have made their choice, shaming and endless debate is not going to work. Regulations may - personalized advertising especially social or political is unethical and destructive. But these debates have to happen in other places where the focus is more on ethics and society and not startups and making money.