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'Yet another was “bright & busy” but it was “a bit difficult to see what would hold him in during a lop.”' 'admissions officers then fine-tune the final class

'Yet another was “bright & busy” but it was “a bit difficult to see what would hold him in during a lop.”' 'admissions officers then fine-tune the final class using a form that lists five pieces of information about the applicant; they give an example of a form that has spaces for the applicant’s name, LIN (lineage), ETH (ethnicity), ATH (athlete), and HFAI (financial aid).' It's undeniably racism. I wonder what the outcome would be if one or two Ivies stick their necks out and institute race blind, legacy blind admissions.

verylongname 8y ago
See CalTech for an example of an elite school that has race-blind admissions. As far as I can tell, it hasn't put any pressure on the Ivy's to change. Incidentally, Caltech's latest class is roughly 50% Asian and about 30% white.
- cycrutchfield 8y ago
  There may be some geographic bias there because California’s Asian population is much higher than the US as a whole.
  - pc86 8y ago
    I would be interested to see if there is any bias toward state of residence for a school as widely known and respected as CalTech.
    - extra88 8y ago
      Of course there is. Harvard has a disproportionate number of students from New England, and more specifically Massachusetts, as well. Plenty of smart kids don't want to be too far from home or travel a long way to an unfamiliar environment. As for CalTech's rep, I'm just one person on the East Coast and wasn't a Tech-type student but I forget it exists all the time. If someone asked me to name a West Coast school to compare to MIT, "Stanford" would be all I could think of.
- tomp 8y ago
  Do you know how much is black? If it's less than 8% (or whetever the US average is), then it's literally "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
  - darwin142 8y ago
    Less than 1%. https://mic.com/articles/7995/caltech-s-shocking-lack-of-diversity-a-microcosm-for-the-united-states#.yv0xPBukD https://mic.com/articles/7995/caltech-s-shocking-lack-of-div... Yet there's 0 manufactured outrage about this?? Maybe the SJWs of Silicon Valley just haven't found out yet.
- Anechoic 8y ago
  See CalTech for an example of an elite school that has race-blind admissions This is not true. See http://finance.caltech.edu/Resources/cds http://finance.caltech.edu/Resources/cds (pick any year), Section C7.
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home_boi 8y ago
That part sounds like a literal race quota. I guess Harvard's defense is that they do most of the "work" at the subjective personality score stage where races are conveniently ranked in the same order as their desirability for "diversity".
sadamznintern 8y ago
Wow, what’s going to happen now that they don’t get into Harvard? Are they going to have to go to gasp Cornell? Or god forbid, their public state school? Christ the pearl clutching about this never ceases to amaze me. I went to a public school and hated it but that’s because of my own stupidity not because of any minority group.

verylongname 8y ago

See CalTech for an example of an elite school that has race-blind admissions. As far as I can tell, it hasn't put any pressure on the Ivy's to change. Incidentally, Caltech's latest class is roughly 50% Asian and about 30% white.

cycrutchfield 8y ago
There may be some geographic bias there because California’s Asian population is much higher than the US as a whole.
- pc86 8y ago
  I would be interested to see if there is any bias toward state of residence for a school as widely known and respected as CalTech.
  - extra88 8y ago
    Of course there is. Harvard has a disproportionate number of students from New England, and more specifically Massachusetts, as well. Plenty of smart kids don't want to be too far from home or travel a long way to an unfamiliar environment. As for CalTech's rep, I'm just one person on the East Coast and wasn't a Tech-type student but I forget it exists all the time. If someone asked me to name a West Coast school to compare to MIT, "Stanford" would be all I could think of.
tomp 8y ago
Do you know how much is black? If it's less than 8% (or whetever the US average is), then it's literally "damned if you do, damned if you don't".
- darwin142 8y ago
  Less than 1%. https://mic.com/articles/7995/caltech-s-shocking-lack-of-diversity-a-microcosm-for-the-united-states#.yv0xPBukD https://mic.com/articles/7995/caltech-s-shocking-lack-of-div... Yet there's 0 manufactured outrage about this?? Maybe the SJWs of Silicon Valley just haven't found out yet.
Anechoic 8y ago
See CalTech for an example of an elite school that has race-blind admissions This is not true. See http://finance.caltech.edu/Resources/cds http://finance.caltech.edu/Resources/cds (pick any year), Section C7.

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home_boi 8y ago

That part sounds like a literal race quota. I guess Harvard's defense is that they do most of the "work" at the subjective personality score stage where races are conveniently ranked in the same order as their desirability for "diversity".

sadamznintern 8y ago

Wow, what’s going to happen now that they don’t get into Harvard? Are they going to have to go to gasp Cornell? Or god forbid, their public state school? Christ the pearl clutching about this never ceases to amaze me. I went to a public school and hated it but that’s because of my own stupidity not because of any minority group.