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> The French government claims that fatherhood is determined by society It is. A child does not need to be genetically related to their parents. Adoption is a

> The French government claims that fatherhood is determined by society It is. A child does not need to be genetically related to their parents. Adoption is a common practice.

st26 8y ago
Although with genetic diseases and child support, genealogy/paternity still matters.
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gdfasfklshg 8y ago
Adoption is one thing. Paternity fraud is another. Many men do not want to raise children that are not biologically theirs. The current system in France (and in many US states) forces men to raise or pay child support for children that are not biologically theirs. In some cases this even prevents men from being able to have or raise properly children of their own.
paidleaf 8y ago
Legal fatherhood is determined by law. Biological fatherhood is determined by science/genetics. Also, adoption isn't a common practice. Adoptions happen, but they are rare. Ideally, legal and biological fatherhood should be one and the same. That way you can find your genetic history for medical purposes and legal family tree for historical purposes. But tragically, in a few cases, legal and biological fathers are not the same.
- crumbshot 8y ago
  > Ideally [...] But tragically, This is of course a value judgement. I'm sure many adoptees would disagree with your assessment that their situation is tragic.
  - paidleaf 8y ago
    > This is of course a value judgement. It's a biological and common sense judgment. > I'm sure many adoptees would disagree with your assessment that their situation is tragic. Ideally ( all things being equal ), adoptees would want to be with their "ideal" biological parents. Of course if the biological parents are dead, abusive or too poor to provide for them ( tragic ), then adoption is better than nothing. But I can't think of any child who wouldn't want to be with their biological parents all things being equal.
    - crumbshot 8y ago
      Appealing to common sense doesn't make your argument more appealing. I mean, I could similarly assume the ideal to be mass incubation in artificial wombs, followed by randomly selected adoption.

> The French government claims that fatherhood is determined by society It is. A child does not need to be genetically related to their parents. Adoption is a common practice.

st26 8y ago

Although with genetic diseases and child support, genealogy/paternity still matters.

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gdfasfklshg 8y ago

Adoption is one thing. Paternity fraud is another. Many men do not want to raise children that are not biologically theirs. The current system in France (and in many US states) forces men to raise or pay child support for children that are not biologically theirs. In some cases this even prevents men from being able to have or raise properly children of their own.

paidleaf 8y ago

Legal fatherhood is determined by law. Biological fatherhood is determined by science/genetics. Also, adoption isn't a common practice. Adoptions happen, but they are rare. Ideally, legal and biological fatherhood should be one and the same. That way you can find your genetic history for medical purposes and legal family tree for historical purposes. But tragically, in a few cases, legal and biological fathers are not the same.

crumbshot 8y ago
> Ideally [...] But tragically, This is of course a value judgement. I'm sure many adoptees would disagree with your assessment that their situation is tragic.
- paidleaf 8y ago
  > This is of course a value judgement. It's a biological and common sense judgment. > I'm sure many adoptees would disagree with your assessment that their situation is tragic. Ideally ( all things being equal ), adoptees would want to be with their "ideal" biological parents. Of course if the biological parents are dead, abusive or too poor to provide for them ( tragic ), then adoption is better than nothing. But I can't think of any child who wouldn't want to be with their biological parents all things being equal.
  - crumbshot 8y ago
    Appealing to common sense doesn't make your argument more appealing. I mean, I could similarly assume the ideal to be mass incubation in artificial wombs, followed by randomly selected adoption.