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Um no... it's no more than 1-2% in western societies.

by hugh4life 8y ago

gdfasfklshg 8y ago
It was between 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 prior to DNA testing.
xevb3k 8y ago
Do you have a reference? Not doubting it, but I’m curious to know if this is true.
- mirimir 8y ago
  I've also read 20-30%. And I was hoping to see an estimate in the article. They must have the data, right? Edit: And yes, those numbers are looking more like FUD.
  - juskrey 8y ago
    Anecdotal: in last three generations of my family we had three confirmed incidents of this. It's only what we know. Including my own first marriage (I divorced, though it wasn't a secret, since the marriage de facto already did not exist by that time) Not 30% but not 1-2 also..
- hugh4life 8y ago
  http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/false-paternity-isnt-actually-widespread/ http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/false-paternit... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event#Rates_of_non-paternity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event#Rates_of_n...
  - mirimir 8y ago
    The first one cites Larmuseau et al. (2016).[0] > The surprising result of these new studies is that human EPP rates have stayed near- constant at around 1% across several human societies over the past several hundred years. But this is based on long term population studies, not "real time" measurements. 0) https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.tree.2016.03.004 https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.tree.2016.03.004
mirimir 8y ago
There's a 2014 article in The Conversation:[0] > They asked a number of questions including whether they had conceived a child at a time when they had multiple sexual partners? I was surprised that no more than 2% of women admitted to this. I can't quite believe that they didn't point out how meaningless this result is. I mean, people aren't even honest about what they eat for breakfast ;) > These results marry comfortably with DNA estimates of misattributed paternity from samples that cross a broad range of societies which suggest the rate is between 1% and 3%,[1] and with Prof Gilding’s estimate of between 0.7% and 2%.[2] Based on the studies cited in these articles, about 20-305 of suspicious fathers are correct about their suspicion. But overall, the rate of misattributed paternity seems to be ~1%. However, not that I've read all the primary research, but I suspect that most of the cited studies are too small to be very reliable. Also, nothing that I've see seems based on complete datasets from consumer DNA testing firms. 0) https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-chances-that-your-dad-isnt-your-father-24802 https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-chances-that-your-d... 1) http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity... 2) http://inside.org.au/the-fatherhood-myth/ http://inside.org.au/the-fatherhood-myth/
bcoates 8y ago
And not all historical non-paternity is due to marital infidelity -- it was very common for unwed young parents to have their children raised by their parents as a younger sibling. A couple raising their daughter's son as their own is Y-chromosome non-paternity despite being a direct descendant.

Um no... it's no more than 1-2% in western societies.

gdfasfklshg 8y ago

It was between 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 prior to DNA testing.

xevb3k 8y ago

Do you have a reference? Not doubting it, but I’m curious to know if this is true.

mirimir 8y ago
I've also read 20-30%. And I was hoping to see an estimate in the article. They must have the data, right? Edit: And yes, those numbers are looking more like FUD.
- juskrey 8y ago
  Anecdotal: in last three generations of my family we had three confirmed incidents of this. It's only what we know. Including my own first marriage (I divorced, though it wasn't a secret, since the marriage de facto already did not exist by that time) Not 30% but not 1-2 also..
hugh4life 8y ago
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/false-paternity-isnt-actually-widespread/ http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/false-paternit... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event#Rates_of_non-paternity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event#Rates_of_n...
- mirimir 8y ago
  The first one cites Larmuseau et al. (2016).[0] > The surprising result of these new studies is that human EPP rates have stayed near- constant at around 1% across several human societies over the past several hundred years. But this is based on long term population studies, not "real time" measurements. 0) https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.tree.2016.03.004 https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.tree.2016.03.004

mirimir 8y ago

There's a 2014 article in The Conversation:[0] > They asked a number of questions including whether they had conceived a child at a time when they had multiple sexual partners? I was surprised that no more than 2% of women admitted to this. I can't quite believe that they didn't point out how meaningless this result is. I mean, people aren't even honest about what they eat for breakfast ;) > These results marry comfortably with DNA estimates of misattributed paternity from samples that cross a broad range of societies which suggest the rate is between 1% and 3%,[1] and with Prof Gilding’s estimate of between 0.7% and 2%.[2] Based on the studies cited in these articles, about 20-305 of suspicious fathers are correct about their suspicion. But overall, the rate of misattributed paternity seems to be ~1%. However, not that I've read all the primary research, but I suspect that most of the cited studies are too small to be very reliable. Also, nothing that I've see seems based on complete datasets from consumer DNA testing firms. 0) https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-chances-that-your-dad-isnt-your-father-24802 https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-chances-that-your-d... 1) http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/06/the-paternity... 2) http://inside.org.au/the-fatherhood-myth/ http://inside.org.au/the-fatherhood-myth/

bcoates 8y ago

And not all historical non-paternity is due to marital infidelity -- it was very common for unwed young parents to have their children raised by their parents as a younger sibling. A couple raising their daughter's son as their own is Y-chromosome non-paternity despite being a direct descendant.