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> I think there is still space for one more framework to rule them all. People should learn to write apps with the DOM, that's the framework to rule them all a

> I think there is still space for one more framework to rule them all. People should learn to write apps with the DOM, that's the framework to rule them all and it's already in the browser. There no need for a framework to write apps that follow the unidirectional dataflow principle. That principle just need to be taught, like MVC or SOLID.

goostavos 8y ago
Oh my goodness, please no. I already lived through the home-rolled, pure-js, custom frontend "frameworks" made by each team's resident "smart guy" once. I shudder just thinking about those days. React/Angular/framework-whatever are glorious angels protecting us from the tyranny of half-baked, poorly thought out approaches to frontend development.
- nostalgeek 8y ago
  > Oh my goodness, please no. You don't educate developers to good practices just by abstracting the hard things. You don't need to use React/Angular/Whatever to manage state the right way in a front-end application. You don't need a framework to make code maintainable or testable, or you're just saying front-end developers are so incompetent and undisciplined they need a framework. No they don't, just like one doesn't need a framework like Rails or Spring or Django to write a server app. > React/Angular/framework-whatever are glorious angels protecting us from the tyranny of half-baked, poorly thought out approaches to frontend development. No they are not, they are making the developer ignorant of the underlying DOM architecture.
  - goostavos 8y ago
    Uh oh, I think we found our 'resident smart guy.'
    - nostalgeek 8y ago
      No, i'm not smart, I'm just not ignorant. Learning Django isn't going to make you learn HTTP spec for instance, you know what i'm saying? the same way, learning Angular OR Vue.js will not make you understand how event bubbling or event delegation works. plenty of "full stack" front-end developers out there who know nothing about the DOM.

goostavos 8y ago

Oh my goodness, please no. I already lived through the home-rolled, pure-js, custom frontend "frameworks" made by each team's resident "smart guy" once. I shudder just thinking about those days. React/Angular/framework-whatever are glorious angels protecting us from the tyranny of half-baked, poorly thought out approaches to frontend development.

nostalgeek 8y ago
> Oh my goodness, please no. You don't educate developers to good practices just by abstracting the hard things. You don't need to use React/Angular/Whatever to manage state the right way in a front-end application. You don't need a framework to make code maintainable or testable, or you're just saying front-end developers are so incompetent and undisciplined they need a framework. No they don't, just like one doesn't need a framework like Rails or Spring or Django to write a server app. > React/Angular/framework-whatever are glorious angels protecting us from the tyranny of half-baked, poorly thought out approaches to frontend development. No they are not, they are making the developer ignorant of the underlying DOM architecture.
- goostavos 8y ago
  Uh oh, I think we found our 'resident smart guy.'
  - nostalgeek 8y ago
    No, i'm not smart, I'm just not ignorant. Learning Django isn't going to make you learn HTTP spec for instance, you know what i'm saying? the same way, learning Angular OR Vue.js will not make you understand how event bubbling or event delegation works. plenty of "full stack" front-end developers out there who know nothing about the DOM.