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The whole tree of comments is about the example of a presidential election. Do you have examples of different types of elections that you think your advice app
by mlthoughts2018 8y ago
The whole tree of comments is about the example of a presidential election.
Do you have examples of different types of elections that you think your advice applies to? In US political elections at the state and federal level, I can’t think of any.
Even ballot initiatives require the voter to genuinely be informed about the possible outcomes and how the existing legislature would behave or respond in response. It would never be as simple as “I believe in policy X so therefore I should vote for it.” Do you know if policy X can hurt people if you end up being wrong about it? If the relevant legislative body can just draft a loophole to get around the ballot initiative anyway, etc?
If not, your best bet often might be to abstain and allow more expert voters to decide if policy X actually is effective or not, not just whether someone happens to like it despite being generally uninformed about it.
People try to map a complex bundle of issues, policies, morals, economics, etc., onto a discrete choice between specific candidates (either to elect them, or to predict their actions post-election).
If we developed national policy through prediction markets or even change.org polls, then sure, you could add your highly specific opinion into the aggregate by participating in that poll.
But that’s totally irrelevant to the whole tree of comments here.
The trouble is that you started out by making a very extreme claim, which is that abstaining from a vote can never be an effective way to participate in an election.
Now you’re trying to flip the scope of the comments or something, but still not offering any reasons why your original extreme claim about abstaining should be believed.
- mikeash 8y agoIf you don’t know who to vote for, you can abstain by not marking your ballot, or voting for a third party with no chance of winning. It’s still important to show up because the fact that you voted (or not) is public record. This is true for every single election. You are still talking about who to vote for, which as I just said isn’t even relevant to my comment. Before you reply again, please take a moment to re-read that. If you start taking about which way to vote then you’ve already lost the plot here. If you want to address my point then go for it, but don’t waste both of our time by writing yet another comment about how one should choose who or what to vote for.
- mlthoughts2018 8y agoI have read, re-read, and reflected on your comment, but I still do not agree. Whether for specific ballot initiatives instead of elections, or for electing people to effect policy change, it can be in your best interest to abstain from voting if you are not knowledgeable about the issues. You keep saying your comment isn’t about elections, but that actually doesn’t seem relevant to anything you’ve said, particularly not the original comment claiming that abstaining is never reasonable for people wishing to have their point of view reflected in the outcome of whatever vote.
- mikeash 8y ago“You keep saying your comment isn’t about elections” No, I keep saying it isn’t about who to vote for. It is absolutely about elections. It may be best to abstain from voting in some cases, but you should still show up and cast a ballot.