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I fully agree with him. In-video ads should die. I don’t really mind product placement as long as the brand matches the content of the video (a gun channel pro

I fully agree with him. In-video ads should die. I don’t really mind product placement as long as the brand matches the content of the video (a gun channel promoting gun manufacturers is fine by me) but I’m getting so tired when a totally unrelated video promotes some shitty pay-to-win mobile games or forex/binary options exchanges/betting sites.

CraneWorm 8y ago
all ads should just die
- jxub 8y ago
  Well, that may be an overstatement for now but on a level of individual enjoyment of life, ecology and a saner lifestyle we really need a means of matching sellers and buyers that's less of the current emotional status-based exchange of useless products and more a pragmatic as-is transaction with minimal collateral waste and middlemen moat. This isn't as simple as it seems though because with the transition to that model the global economy would take a serious hit, as there would be less demand (of the emotion-driven kind). For me and many though (which may not have a say in the market as big as the consumerist group), the choice is clearly the self and planet-conscious one.
- andrepd 8y ago
  Unironically this. For reasons which I won't bother expounding on unless someone asks, I consider (all) advertising to be immoral. The world would be a much better place if advertising was heavily regulated or banned.
  - Hasz 8y ago
    Genuinely curious, do you mind explaining?
    - jmts 8y ago
      I've recently decided that a lot of advertising for childrens toys can be suspect, though I don't watch a lot of TV anymore so I'm not exposed to it anymore. To me the idea is that a company will build something that amounts ultimately to garbage, then back it with an exciting advertising campaign and catchy tune targeted at childen. Often it's a set of toys, so you're encouraged to collect them all. The children will then nag their parents for such a thing, until the parents relent. An example from my childhood would be the Mighty Max toys (or Polly Pocket for the female demographic). I know that once I was finally given a Mighty Max toy I quickly moved on to other things, with a total play-time probably measured in hours. Contrast that with Lego, where I was regularly building and creating cars, and castles, and bridges, and towers, for well over a decade. From my parent's perspective the Lego was much better value for money - and I'm sure they knew that - but they were sometimes coerced into buying junk.
    - andrepd 8y ago
      Advertising is the psychological manipulation of your vulnerable mammal brain with the intent of tricking you into doing something which you wouldn't do absent that advert, and doing so for your detriment and for the advertiser's gain. I recognise exceptions, but I would say 95% of advertising falls into this description. In the end, it's about tricking you into making poor choices, bad for you, bad for others, bad for the planet and general society. Make you consume more, and make bad lifestyle choices. In this sense of "manipulation", it's an attack on my freedoms. Everywhere I go, whether I want it or not, I am assaulted by posters, videos, TV ads, Web ads, outdoors, sound speakers, and all other varieties of advertising. Whether I consent to it or not, I have people subtly implanting ideas on my brain. Ideas that I'm fat, ugly, that all the fun is happening somewhere else, that other families are all happy and wonderful, and that all of my yearnings and insecurities are solvable by having a Coke or whatever. It's insidious. They make people feel bad about their body, insecure about their families and love lives, all to make you drink sugary crap that will most likely harm your health. All of this bombardment of my vulnerable primitive mammal brain, I stress, happens without my consent. EDIT: I don't know if I was eloquent enough to communicate well my feelings about this. It's early, forgive me. :p
  - tylerhou 8y ago
    Why is all advertising immoral? Markets with limited information flow become inefficient. Advertisement just speeds up the flow of information? For example, if I created a service to file taxes for free [0], what's wrong if I advertise it so that more people can gain from it? Most people don't even know that CalFile exists, for example. [0] https://www.ftb.ca.gov/online/calFile/index.asp https://www.ftb.ca.gov/online/calFile/index.asp
    - majewsky 8y ago
      The internet was heralded as enabling practically unbounded information flow. In my opinion, this removes the need for ads as information channel. If you have a service to file taxes for free, and it really is good, shouldn't it spread by mere word-of-mouth? Wikipedia never ran any ads, for instance.
      - tylerhou 8y ago
        Why does Google exist if there is practically unbounded information flow? Oh right, because there is 1) so much information that we can't process it all and 2) sometimes information just doesn't spread. If I host a website but nobody links to it, does the information on my website ever get spread? > If you have a service to file taxes for free, and it really is good, shouldn't it spread by mere word-of-mouth? In an ideal world, yes. But my point was that a service for filing CA state taxes for free already exists, but most people still don't know about it because it's never advertised.
    - mirimir 8y ago
      Ads are not information. They're lies. Or at least, lies by omission. What I want are unbiased reviews. I'd even be willing to pay for them.
      - tylerhou 8y ago
        Let me get this straight: you want to solve the problem of information which "lies by omission"... by omitting more of it by law? Imagine I provide some good or service that is extremely valuable to people, but there is a law preventing me from telling those people. Now those people cannot receive my goods or services. Is that not also "lying" by omission? Advertisements can be misleading, yes, and there should be regulations to prevent misleading advertisements.
mikec3010 8y ago
> In-video ads should die Especially for those of us who pay for YouTube red.

CraneWorm 8y ago

all ads should just die

jxub 8y ago
Well, that may be an overstatement for now but on a level of individual enjoyment of life, ecology and a saner lifestyle we really need a means of matching sellers and buyers that's less of the current emotional status-based exchange of useless products and more a pragmatic as-is transaction with minimal collateral waste and middlemen moat. This isn't as simple as it seems though because with the transition to that model the global economy would take a serious hit, as there would be less demand (of the emotion-driven kind). For me and many though (which may not have a say in the market as big as the consumerist group), the choice is clearly the self and planet-conscious one.
andrepd 8y ago
Unironically this. For reasons which I won't bother expounding on unless someone asks, I consider (all) advertising to be immoral. The world would be a much better place if advertising was heavily regulated or banned.
- Hasz 8y ago
  Genuinely curious, do you mind explaining?
  - jmts 8y ago
    I've recently decided that a lot of advertising for childrens toys can be suspect, though I don't watch a lot of TV anymore so I'm not exposed to it anymore. To me the idea is that a company will build something that amounts ultimately to garbage, then back it with an exciting advertising campaign and catchy tune targeted at childen. Often it's a set of toys, so you're encouraged to collect them all. The children will then nag their parents for such a thing, until the parents relent. An example from my childhood would be the Mighty Max toys (or Polly Pocket for the female demographic). I know that once I was finally given a Mighty Max toy I quickly moved on to other things, with a total play-time probably measured in hours. Contrast that with Lego, where I was regularly building and creating cars, and castles, and bridges, and towers, for well over a decade. From my parent's perspective the Lego was much better value for money - and I'm sure they knew that - but they were sometimes coerced into buying junk.
  - andrepd 8y ago
    Advertising is the psychological manipulation of your vulnerable mammal brain with the intent of tricking you into doing something which you wouldn't do absent that advert, and doing so for your detriment and for the advertiser's gain. I recognise exceptions, but I would say 95% of advertising falls into this description. In the end, it's about tricking you into making poor choices, bad for you, bad for others, bad for the planet and general society. Make you consume more, and make bad lifestyle choices. In this sense of "manipulation", it's an attack on my freedoms. Everywhere I go, whether I want it or not, I am assaulted by posters, videos, TV ads, Web ads, outdoors, sound speakers, and all other varieties of advertising. Whether I consent to it or not, I have people subtly implanting ideas on my brain. Ideas that I'm fat, ugly, that all the fun is happening somewhere else, that other families are all happy and wonderful, and that all of my yearnings and insecurities are solvable by having a Coke or whatever. It's insidious. They make people feel bad about their body, insecure about their families and love lives, all to make you drink sugary crap that will most likely harm your health. All of this bombardment of my vulnerable primitive mammal brain, I stress, happens without my consent. EDIT: I don't know if I was eloquent enough to communicate well my feelings about this. It's early, forgive me. :p
- tylerhou 8y ago
  Why is all advertising immoral? Markets with limited information flow become inefficient. Advertisement just speeds up the flow of information? For example, if I created a service to file taxes for free [0], what's wrong if I advertise it so that more people can gain from it? Most people don't even know that CalFile exists, for example. [0] https://www.ftb.ca.gov/online/calFile/index.asp https://www.ftb.ca.gov/online/calFile/index.asp
  - majewsky 8y ago
    The internet was heralded as enabling practically unbounded information flow. In my opinion, this removes the need for ads as information channel. If you have a service to file taxes for free, and it really is good, shouldn't it spread by mere word-of-mouth? Wikipedia never ran any ads, for instance.
    - tylerhou 8y ago
      Why does Google exist if there is practically unbounded information flow? Oh right, because there is 1) so much information that we can't process it all and 2) sometimes information just doesn't spread. If I host a website but nobody links to it, does the information on my website ever get spread? > If you have a service to file taxes for free, and it really is good, shouldn't it spread by mere word-of-mouth? In an ideal world, yes. But my point was that a service for filing CA state taxes for free already exists, but most people still don't know about it because it's never advertised.
  - mirimir 8y ago
    Ads are not information. They're lies. Or at least, lies by omission. What I want are unbiased reviews. I'd even be willing to pay for them.
    - tylerhou 8y ago
      Let me get this straight: you want to solve the problem of information which "lies by omission"... by omitting more of it by law? Imagine I provide some good or service that is extremely valuable to people, but there is a law preventing me from telling those people. Now those people cannot receive my goods or services. Is that not also "lying" by omission? Advertisements can be misleading, yes, and there should be regulations to prevent misleading advertisements.

mikec3010 8y ago

> In-video ads should die Especially for those of us who pay for YouTube red.