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Plus the lack of a pro level desktop machine (excepting the imac pro. all-in-one) isn't helping apple with power users that Autodesk users presumably are. They

Plus the lack of a pro level desktop machine (excepting the imac pro. all-in-one) isn't helping apple with power users that Autodesk users presumably are. They announced new ones are coming a year ago but still no details or a real release date. Its a shame as the macos application packaging system makes makes for an easy way distribute and run applications.

MisterOctober 8y ago
Yep -- this kind of touches on some of the issues in the recent thread on the Mac Mini -- Apple's hardware offerings have been diminishing in utility for pro / power users for some time now -- it's like they're intentionally abandoning the pro market. Not surprising that Autodesk is discontinuing support.
syshum 8y ago
Apple prefers to tell you a $1,000 device every 12-18 months as opposed to a $2000 device every 3-5years... Plus they make a ton more money on Apps on from the store in mobile. It is all economics, they do not care about the pro user anymore because the pro user is not where they make money
- scarface74 8y ago
  If that were true, they wouldn’t still be supporting the iPhone 5s that was introduced in 2012 with iOS 12 - which will be introduced this year. How many Android phones even get two years worth of updates let alone 6.
  - syshum 8y ago
    Incorrect, long term support is actually required because of the insane prices they want to charge and market saturation. Like with cars, the used market supports the selling of new devices. This is something Android manufacturers need to figure out.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      If long term support were “required” then why don’t the high end Android phones that cost just as much as iPhones get the same number of updates? But either way, that Apple updates phones for years contradicts the statement that Apple wants you to replace your phone every two years.
chrisseaton 8y ago
> Plus the lack of a pro level desktop machine (excepting the imac pro. all-in-one) The lack of a pro-level machine... except for the pro-level machine that they do have.
- scarface74 8y ago
  They also admitted at a round table that they designed themselves into a “thermal corner” with the last Mac Pro and that they will be introducing another one in 2019.
  - ksec 8y ago
    They "learned" / "understand" / "realise" that they went into a thermal corner "FOUR" years after the product was first released. Then they made announcement they are going to do a redesign, 4 years after it first released, and the redesign won't be coming out til 2019, 2 years after they made the redesign announcement. A total of 6 years. That is the amount of care they have for "pro" users. They then went to release an iMac Pro which many call it an interim solution. An iMac Pro capable of having two 250W chip cooled, Something the community has been calling for years for the iMac ( For so long everyone abandoned the hope already ) and some said was not possible due to cooling requirement. Turns out it wasn't a technical barrier, simply Apple won't make it. And as rumours goes, it wasn't until a very large studio decide to abandoned the Mac platform due to Mac Pro, and someone who had connection with Apple SVPs and told hem about it, before they realise how much care they have given to the pro users. Apple forgot that while it was Steve jobs bumping put new strategies and initiative that changed Apple in the long run. It was these pro users whom bleed six colours that kept Apple alive in the first place.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      People have been calling for an iMac Pro type hardware “for years”? I doubt very seriously that anyone even wanted something like the iMac Pro before it was released. And as rumours goes, it wasn't until a very large studio decide to abandoned the Mac platform due to Mac Pro, and someone who had connection with Apple SVPs and told hem about it, before they realise how much care they have given to the pro users. I doubt very seriously that one studio abandoning a product line that makes less than 10% of thier revenue made Apple panic. Apple forgot that while it was Steve jobs bumping put new strategies and initiative that changed Apple in the long run. It was these pro users whom bleed six colours that kept Apple alive in the first place. Things change. The Mac is no longer at the center of Apple’s universe. As far as what Steve thought that Apple’s direction of the Mac should be.... “If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it’s worth – and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago” https://www.wired.com/2011/08/money-quotes-steve-jobs-style/ https://www.wired.com/2011/08/money-quotes-steve-jobs-style/ If you think Jobs was tied to the Mac on his return, you weren’t paying attention.

MisterOctober 8y ago

Yep -- this kind of touches on some of the issues in the recent thread on the Mac Mini -- Apple's hardware offerings have been diminishing in utility for pro / power users for some time now -- it's like they're intentionally abandoning the pro market. Not surprising that Autodesk is discontinuing support.

syshum 8y ago

Apple prefers to tell you a $1,000 device every 12-18 months as opposed to a $2000 device every 3-5years... Plus they make a ton more money on Apps on from the store in mobile. It is all economics, they do not care about the pro user anymore because the pro user is not where they make money

scarface74 8y ago
If that were true, they wouldn’t still be supporting the iPhone 5s that was introduced in 2012 with iOS 12 - which will be introduced this year. How many Android phones even get two years worth of updates let alone 6.
- syshum 8y ago
  Incorrect, long term support is actually required because of the insane prices they want to charge and market saturation. Like with cars, the used market supports the selling of new devices. This is something Android manufacturers need to figure out.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    If long term support were “required” then why don’t the high end Android phones that cost just as much as iPhones get the same number of updates? But either way, that Apple updates phones for years contradicts the statement that Apple wants you to replace your phone every two years.

chrisseaton 8y ago

> Plus the lack of a pro level desktop machine (excepting the imac pro. all-in-one) The lack of a pro-level machine... except for the pro-level machine that they do have.

scarface74 8y ago
They also admitted at a round table that they designed themselves into a “thermal corner” with the last Mac Pro and that they will be introducing another one in 2019.
- ksec 8y ago
  They "learned" / "understand" / "realise" that they went into a thermal corner "FOUR" years after the product was first released. Then they made announcement they are going to do a redesign, 4 years after it first released, and the redesign won't be coming out til 2019, 2 years after they made the redesign announcement. A total of 6 years. That is the amount of care they have for "pro" users. They then went to release an iMac Pro which many call it an interim solution. An iMac Pro capable of having two 250W chip cooled, Something the community has been calling for years for the iMac ( For so long everyone abandoned the hope already ) and some said was not possible due to cooling requirement. Turns out it wasn't a technical barrier, simply Apple won't make it. And as rumours goes, it wasn't until a very large studio decide to abandoned the Mac platform due to Mac Pro, and someone who had connection with Apple SVPs and told hem about it, before they realise how much care they have given to the pro users. Apple forgot that while it was Steve jobs bumping put new strategies and initiative that changed Apple in the long run. It was these pro users whom bleed six colours that kept Apple alive in the first place.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    People have been calling for an iMac Pro type hardware “for years”? I doubt very seriously that anyone even wanted something like the iMac Pro before it was released. And as rumours goes, it wasn't until a very large studio decide to abandoned the Mac platform due to Mac Pro, and someone who had connection with Apple SVPs and told hem about it, before they realise how much care they have given to the pro users. I doubt very seriously that one studio abandoning a product line that makes less than 10% of thier revenue made Apple panic. Apple forgot that while it was Steve jobs bumping put new strategies and initiative that changed Apple in the long run. It was these pro users whom bleed six colours that kept Apple alive in the first place. Things change. The Mac is no longer at the center of Apple’s universe. As far as what Steve thought that Apple’s direction of the Mac should be.... “If I were running Apple, I would milk the Macintosh for all it’s worth – and get busy on the next great thing. The PC wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago” https://www.wired.com/2011/08/money-quotes-steve-jobs-style/ https://www.wired.com/2011/08/money-quotes-steve-jobs-style/ If you think Jobs was tied to the Mac on his return, you weren’t paying attention.