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Sure, the victims in Rotherham can't actually amplify it themselves, but typically, it's the media, who amplify such causes, not the victims. Consider the pedop

Sure, the victims in Rotherham can't actually amplify it themselves, but typically, it's the media, who amplify such causes, not the victims. Consider the pedophilia plague in the Catholic church, that absolutely did not become world famous due to Twitter. The left notably also justifiably kicks up a ruckus over less, but were oddly silent on the rape gangs, as documented by a leftist himself here: https://medium.com/@TheWakeful/the-uk-street-grooming-scandals-how-the-left-has-failed-in-its-responsibilities-15e507e227f7 https://medium.com/@TheWakeful/the-uk-street-grooming-scanda...

Krasnol 8y ago
Only because "the left media" is able to push something doesn't mean that they are necessary. Weinstein was a topic but it was nothing and would have been dead within the usual 2-3 weeks cycle the media usually creates if it hadn't been for one influential twitter user (in this case: Alyssa Milano). The Media then followed up on this hype not the other way around. I don't know where you think left/right politics comes into your issue. Only because some lefty thinks they could get some attention from that but fails to generate it because he has not the same reach as Alyssa Milano? Where is the right then? The only thing you get from them regarding those topics is: "burn them!". You may generate attention with that within some closed UKIP facebook group maybe.
- mooseburger 8y ago
  Left politics was a big part of the issue of why Rotherham even happened to begin with. It was documented that police and city councils were afraid to go after perpetrators for fear of being seen as racist. >Some leftist... Alyssa Milano This isn't about some leftist trying and failing to popularize, it's about nobody even trying to, over the course of 4 years. Just imagine the outrage if the perpetrators had been the EDL, and the victims immigrants. >Where is the right then? The only thing you get from them regarding those topics is: "burn them!". You may generate attention with that within some closed UKIP facebook group maybe. This is not suprising, the right has practically no cultural power. To summarize, the reason I'm mad about the left's, and by extension, the mainstreams, reaction to Rotherham, is that: a) The left typically deals with this. There's tons of examples of activism in reaction to women being victimized, but for this one case, unlike any of the other ones it's crickets. b) It would have been a massive deal no one forgot about if the perpetators had been someone in the leftists outgroup (say, the far-right, or the church). These sorts of groups after all, get worse reputations over lesser offenses. c) If the left doesn't come up with an answer to these issues, then only the far-right does, which dramatically increases their grassroots power, since they're actually responding to reality.
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    > It was documented that police and city councils were afraid to go after perpetrators for fear of being seen as racist. So you really think that "the left" would rather take that then investigate such a hot issue? Seriously? Do you have a source on that documentation? > This isn't about some leftist trying and failing to popularize, it's about nobody even trying to, over the course of 4 years. So if "nobody" even tried, why is the left at fault? Wouldn't be "everybody" at fault? Maybe it's no racism conspiracy but something completely different? Whatever it is, it's completely different then what goes on in #metoo or #metwo where many people try. Many of them being affected themselves and so on. > This is not suprising, the right has practically no cultural power. Well, they managed #Brexit pretty well. That was 2 years ago. > a) The left typically deals with this. So let's wrap this up: not even the right cares about it even though it falls perfectly in their spectrum (as being the opposite of the left AND something with child abuse which is what they love to scream for death penalty), but the it's nonetheless the lefts fault... > b) It would have been a massive deal no one forgot about if Yeah, maybe. Maybe not. > c) If the left doesn't come up with an answer to these issues, then only the far-right does, which dramatically increases their grassroots power, since they're actually responding to reality. Where I come from, the justice system deals with such things. Not politics or the media or twitter. While you think it's the opposite and not only this, the left took the role of the justice system which has to be abolished if it doesn't do what you want. I don't know man. It all sounds like the usual right wing madness argumentation which usually does not come from anywhere near reality ;)
    - mooseburger 8y ago
      > Seriously? Do you have a source on that documentation? It's in the Jay report (http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_...): By far the majority of perpetrators were described as 'Asian' by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so. > So if "nobody" even tried, why is the left at fault? Wouldn't be "everybody" at fault? Nobody in the left tried is what I mean, not nobody in general. Parts of the right did try, but they get dismissed as far-right loonies (apparently the rational thing to do about this is to not care, and memory-hole it?). > the justice system deals with such things. Not politics or the media or twitter. This would be ideal, but the justice system dealt with it only after decades, thousands of victims, and even some murders. This was a massive government failure that has been memory-holed, and you seem to believe it's some kind of non-event.

Krasnol 8y ago

Only because "the left media" is able to push something doesn't mean that they are necessary. Weinstein was a topic but it was nothing and would have been dead within the usual 2-3 weeks cycle the media usually creates if it hadn't been for one influential twitter user (in this case: Alyssa Milano). The Media then followed up on this hype not the other way around. I don't know where you think left/right politics comes into your issue. Only because some lefty thinks they could get some attention from that but fails to generate it because he has not the same reach as Alyssa Milano? Where is the right then? The only thing you get from them regarding those topics is: "burn them!". You may generate attention with that within some closed UKIP facebook group maybe.

mooseburger 8y ago
Left politics was a big part of the issue of why Rotherham even happened to begin with. It was documented that police and city councils were afraid to go after perpetrators for fear of being seen as racist. >Some leftist... Alyssa Milano This isn't about some leftist trying and failing to popularize, it's about nobody even trying to, over the course of 4 years. Just imagine the outrage if the perpetrators had been the EDL, and the victims immigrants. >Where is the right then? The only thing you get from them regarding those topics is: "burn them!". You may generate attention with that within some closed UKIP facebook group maybe. This is not suprising, the right has practically no cultural power. To summarize, the reason I'm mad about the left's, and by extension, the mainstreams, reaction to Rotherham, is that: a) The left typically deals with this. There's tons of examples of activism in reaction to women being victimized, but for this one case, unlike any of the other ones it's crickets. b) It would have been a massive deal no one forgot about if the perpetators had been someone in the leftists outgroup (say, the far-right, or the church). These sorts of groups after all, get worse reputations over lesser offenses. c) If the left doesn't come up with an answer to these issues, then only the far-right does, which dramatically increases their grassroots power, since they're actually responding to reality.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  > It was documented that police and city councils were afraid to go after perpetrators for fear of being seen as racist. So you really think that "the left" would rather take that then investigate such a hot issue? Seriously? Do you have a source on that documentation? > This isn't about some leftist trying and failing to popularize, it's about nobody even trying to, over the course of 4 years. So if "nobody" even tried, why is the left at fault? Wouldn't be "everybody" at fault? Maybe it's no racism conspiracy but something completely different? Whatever it is, it's completely different then what goes on in #metoo or #metwo where many people try. Many of them being affected themselves and so on. > This is not suprising, the right has practically no cultural power. Well, they managed #Brexit pretty well. That was 2 years ago. > a) The left typically deals with this. So let's wrap this up: not even the right cares about it even though it falls perfectly in their spectrum (as being the opposite of the left AND something with child abuse which is what they love to scream for death penalty), but the it's nonetheless the lefts fault... > b) It would have been a massive deal no one forgot about if Yeah, maybe. Maybe not. > c) If the left doesn't come up with an answer to these issues, then only the far-right does, which dramatically increases their grassroots power, since they're actually responding to reality. Where I come from, the justice system deals with such things. Not politics or the media or twitter. While you think it's the opposite and not only this, the left took the role of the justice system which has to be abolished if it doesn't do what you want. I don't know man. It all sounds like the usual right wing madness argumentation which usually does not come from anywhere near reality ;)
  - mooseburger 8y ago
    > Seriously? Do you have a source on that documentation? It's in the Jay report (http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_...): By far the majority of perpetrators were described as 'Asian' by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so. > So if "nobody" even tried, why is the left at fault? Wouldn't be "everybody" at fault? Nobody in the left tried is what I mean, not nobody in general. Parts of the right did try, but they get dismissed as far-right loonies (apparently the rational thing to do about this is to not care, and memory-hole it?). > the justice system deals with such things. Not politics or the media or twitter. This would be ideal, but the justice system dealt with it only after decades, thousands of victims, and even some murders. This was a massive government failure that has been memory-holed, and you seem to believe it's some kind of non-event.