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That in a world in which Azure, AWS and GCP exist there also exist people who would choose Oracle or IBM clouds literally boggles the mind. Who on Earth are the

by gaius 8y ago

That in a world in which Azure, AWS and GCP exist there also exist people who would choose Oracle or IBM clouds literally boggles the mind. Who on Earth are these people? Aliyun is just as bad of course but at least it’s users have the ultimate excuse

Keyframe 8y ago
Are kickbacks a thing? It wouldn't surprise me Oracle and IBM nurtured that or similar behaviour, massaging client's decision makers like that.
- gaius 8y ago
  Yeah... from an engineer’s POV or a publicly-visible commercial POV it makes no sense. Something fishy is going on for Oracle to even get a seat at this table with their sorry excuse for a cloud.
  - Keyframe 8y ago
    15 years ago I worked with Oracle and guys from Oracle on a marketing side (they contracted me to help out with their marketing side), I definitely got that vibe. Years later, there was this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc And it kind of all makes sense.
cm2187 8y ago
Another recent thread provides one good reason: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17627093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17627093
seanhunter 8y ago
It's completely absurd that anyone would choose IBM or Oracle, but having heard first hand the sales pitch that IBM cloud give you I understand it a bit given that a lot of people with decision-making power don't have enough tech expertise to detect nonsense and FUD when they hear it. In my case, the guy spent half the pitch flat out lying to me about AWS and how Amazon charges etc. (sample lie "They basically don't let you transfer any data out once it's in the cloud"). I let him go for quite a while before I revealed that I actually know what I'm talking about and calling out his bs ("Gee that's pretty weird because I host quite a few servers in AWS and I'm able to get data from them just fine. I wonder how that works?")
- orf 8y ago
  > They basically don't let you transfer any data out once it's in the cloud" And how much does transferring 1PB of your data from AWS to say GCP cost, with those outrageous egress costs? That's how they stop you.
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arusahni 8y ago
It's a name recognition thing. I've seen cases where people in decision-making positions are like "IBM? They're big and have been around for a while - they won't fuck this up." Spoiler: they did.

by gaius 8y ago

Keyframe 8y ago

Are kickbacks a thing? It wouldn't surprise me Oracle and IBM nurtured that or similar behaviour, massaging client's decision makers like that.

gaius 8y ago
Yeah... from an engineer’s POV or a publicly-visible commercial POV it makes no sense. Something fishy is going on for Oracle to even get a seat at this table with their sorry excuse for a cloud.
- Keyframe 8y ago
  15 years ago I worked with Oracle and guys from Oracle on a marketing side (they contracted me to help out with their marketing side), I definitely got that vibe. Years later, there was this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc And it kind of all makes sense.

cm2187 8y ago

Another recent thread provides one good reason: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17627093 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17627093

seanhunter 8y ago

It's completely absurd that anyone would choose IBM or Oracle, but having heard first hand the sales pitch that IBM cloud give you I understand it a bit given that a lot of people with decision-making power don't have enough tech expertise to detect nonsense and FUD when they hear it. In my case, the guy spent half the pitch flat out lying to me about AWS and how Amazon charges etc. (sample lie "They basically don't let you transfer any data out once it's in the cloud"). I let him go for quite a while before I revealed that I actually know what I'm talking about and calling out his bs ("Gee that's pretty weird because I host quite a few servers in AWS and I'm able to get data from them just fine. I wonder how that works?")

orf 8y ago
> They basically don't let you transfer any data out once it's in the cloud" And how much does transferring 1PB of your data from AWS to say GCP cost, with those outrageous egress costs? That's how they stop you.
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arusahni 8y ago

It's a name recognition thing. I've seen cases where people in decision-making positions are like "IBM? They're big and have been around for a while - they won't fuck this up." Spoiler: they did.