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Calling YouTube fake news is a travesty. It's actually just not news at all. Before I gave up and unfriended them, I used to try and debate some FB friends tha

Calling YouTube fake news is a travesty. It's actually just not news at all. Before I gave up and unfriended them, I used to try and debate some FB friends that believed in chem trails, flat Earth, and other ridiculous things. I wasn't arguing against logic, reason, or science. I was arguing with YT channels Richie From Boston and others ( I wont link it; that rabbit hole is left to the reader). The last thing that was said to me before unfriending was "i see what you're doing. That's real low energy, man." I think arguing for the public's hearts and minds has more to do with the former than latter.

rhcom2 8y ago
I was once in a restaurant waiting for take out reading a newspaper and a guy came up to me to tell me all newspapers were fake and you couldn't trust them (before going on a rant about the Rothschilds). I asked him where he got his information about the world and he told me "videos on the internet." I don't even know how you begin to have a real conversation with that as a starting point.
- sethrin 8y ago
  The thing to recognize is that they are not using the same truth-finding-function that you are. That may in fact mean that you can't meaningfully compare truths. You are being empirical; they are either relying on "it makes sense" (rationalism, probably) or they are relying on their trust in the person making the statement. I'm not sure what the solution to this problem is, but it's probably not empirical evidence, since that isn't what they consider to be valid. Mostly I think the solution is to teach children science and history, and that if they get to be adults without having those frameworks of understanding, there's no real hope of acquiring them. I'd like to believe that's just cynicism though.
ng12 8y ago
That's the problem isn't it -- fake news is generated for the people who want to believe it. Censoring it won't make them suddenly become rational.

rhcom2 8y ago

I was once in a restaurant waiting for take out reading a newspaper and a guy came up to me to tell me all newspapers were fake and you couldn't trust them (before going on a rant about the Rothschilds). I asked him where he got his information about the world and he told me "videos on the internet." I don't even know how you begin to have a real conversation with that as a starting point.

sethrin 8y ago
The thing to recognize is that they are not using the same truth-finding-function that you are. That may in fact mean that you can't meaningfully compare truths. You are being empirical; they are either relying on "it makes sense" (rationalism, probably) or they are relying on their trust in the person making the statement. I'm not sure what the solution to this problem is, but it's probably not empirical evidence, since that isn't what they consider to be valid. Mostly I think the solution is to teach children science and history, and that if they get to be adults without having those frameworks of understanding, there's no real hope of acquiring them. I'd like to believe that's just cynicism though.

ng12 8y ago

That's the problem isn't it -- fake news is generated for the people who want to believe it. Censoring it won't make them suddenly become rational.