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Quick experiment: In a new Firefox profile, I opened a couple of websites [1]. Then I went offline and tried to load them again. Every time I just got the defau

Quick experiment: In a new Firefox profile, I opened a couple of websites [1]. Then I went offline and tried to load them again. Every time I just got the default "server not found" page of Firefox. "Offline" is no more solved "not hijacking scrolling", "linkable URLs" and "not re-inventing <a href> badly". [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/, https://www.google.com/ https://www.google.com/, https://en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org, https://www.reddit.com/ https://www.reddit.com/, https://www.nytimes.com https://www.nytimes.com

egeozcan 8y ago
Did you try right clicking and choosing "Save as..."? As I said before, it's a 5-minute thing to get started with service-workers. Web-sites can use that and then you don't even need to save. There is this great offline library, fellow developers! Use it! What other platform gives you such easy-to-use offline capabilities? > "not hijacking scrolling", "linkable URLs" and "not re-inventing <a href> badly" You are dealing with a Turing-complete language here. Navigation situation is still way better than the applets. What is the alternative you are supporting instead the current situation?
- genericid 8y ago
  > As I said before, it's a 5-minute thing to get started with service-workers. Web-sites can use that and then you don't even need to save. I don't care if websites can use that if they don't. > You are dealing with a Turing-complete language here. That's the fucking problem. > What is the alternative you are supporting instead the current situation? Using a proper application platform instead of a pile of hacks on top of the web. Without that pile of hacks, the web would actually be usable because publishers would not be able to break the UX.
  - egeozcan 8y ago
    > I don't care if websites can use that if they don't. It's new, and you can still save pages. Browsers will do their best to include all resources they depend as well. > Using a proper application platform instead Which one? Is there any cross-platform one with consistent design and UX? I don't think so.
    - genericid 8y ago
      > It's new, and you can still save pages No, I can't. That does not work reliably. > Browsers will do their best In other words, they will fail. > Which one? Is there any cross-platform one with consistent design and UX? I don't think so. Frankly, even Electron applications are better than making web pages that behave incorrectly.
      - egeozcan 8y ago
        > No, I can't. That does not work reliably. In all your given examples, it does. > Frankly, even Electron applications are better than making web pages that behave incorrectly. You know that 90% of Electron apps do not have any native function calls and are just wrappers on top of a web-app? I just don't understand what you are criticizing anymore.
        genericid 8y ago
        > You know that 90% of Electron apps do not have any native function calls That does not make sense. If they made no native function calls, they could not even display a window.

egeozcan 8y ago

Did you try right clicking and choosing "Save as..."? As I said before, it's a 5-minute thing to get started with service-workers. Web-sites can use that and then you don't even need to save. There is this great offline library, fellow developers! Use it! What other platform gives you such easy-to-use offline capabilities? > "not hijacking scrolling", "linkable URLs" and "not re-inventing <a href> badly" You are dealing with a Turing-complete language here. Navigation situation is still way better than the applets. What is the alternative you are supporting instead the current situation?

genericid 8y ago
> As I said before, it's a 5-minute thing to get started with service-workers. Web-sites can use that and then you don't even need to save. I don't care if websites can use that if they don't. > You are dealing with a Turing-complete language here. That's the fucking problem. > What is the alternative you are supporting instead the current situation? Using a proper application platform instead of a pile of hacks on top of the web. Without that pile of hacks, the web would actually be usable because publishers would not be able to break the UX.
- egeozcan 8y ago
  > I don't care if websites can use that if they don't. It's new, and you can still save pages. Browsers will do their best to include all resources they depend as well. > Using a proper application platform instead Which one? Is there any cross-platform one with consistent design and UX? I don't think so.
  - genericid 8y ago
    > It's new, and you can still save pages No, I can't. That does not work reliably. > Browsers will do their best In other words, they will fail. > Which one? Is there any cross-platform one with consistent design and UX? I don't think so. Frankly, even Electron applications are better than making web pages that behave incorrectly.
    - egeozcan 8y ago
      > No, I can't. That does not work reliably. In all your given examples, it does. > Frankly, even Electron applications are better than making web pages that behave incorrectly. You know that 90% of Electron apps do not have any native function calls and are just wrappers on top of a web-app? I just don't understand what you are criticizing anymore.
      - genericid 8y ago
        > You know that 90% of Electron apps do not have any native function calls That does not make sense. If they made no native function calls, they could not even display a window.