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> Like any code which has network access, they can be dependent on various resources. Online resources. So you cannot run them offline.

gear54rus 8y ago
Well sorry you can't use some chat app without internet connection, our bad.
- genericid 8y ago
  Not everything is a chat application. But even a chat application can and should partially work without an internet connection: Reading old messages and composing new ones can work offline.
  - egeozcan 8y ago
    That has nothing to do with Javascript. If you use canonical, cacheable URIs for your requests, my method above works fine. In my day job, I'm working on a CRM and sales system that is 100% web based and does work offline and is even offline-first (I love you Germany, but your mobile network sucks). There may be many other problems with it but offline is mostly a solved problem in the web world.
    - genericid 8y ago
      Quick experiment: In a new Firefox profile, I opened a couple of websites [1]. Then I went offline and tried to load them again. Every time I just got the default "server not found" page of Firefox. "Offline" is no more solved "not hijacking scrolling", "linkable URLs" and "not re-inventing <a href> badly". [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/, https://www.google.com/ https://www.google.com/, https://en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org, https://www.reddit.com/ https://www.reddit.com/, https://www.nytimes.com https://www.nytimes.com
      - egeozcan 8y ago
        Did you try right clicking and choosing "Save as..."? As I said before, it's a 5-minute thing to get started with service-workers. Web-sites can use that and then you don't even need to save. There is this great offline library, fellow developers! Use it! What other platform gives you such easy-to-use offline capabilities? > "not hijacking scrolling", "linkable URLs" and "not re-inventing <a href> badly" You are dealing with a Turing-complete language here. Navigation situation is still way better than the applets. What is the alternative you are supporting instead the current situation?
        genericid 8y ago
        > As I said before, it's a 5-minute thing to get started with service-workers. Web-sites can use that and then you don't even need to save. I don't care if websites can use that if they don't. > You are dealing with a Turing-complete language here. That's the fucking problem. > What is the alternative you are supporting instead the current situation? Using a proper application platform instead of a pile of hacks on top of the web. Without that pile of hacks, the web would actually be usable because publishers would not be able to break the UX.
        egeozcan 8y ago
        > I don't care if websites can use that if they don't. It's new, and you can still save pages. Browsers will do their best to include all resources they depend as well. > Using a proper application platform instead Which one? Is there any cross-platform one with consistent design and UX? I don't think so.
        genericid 8y ago
        > It's new, and you can still save pages No, I can't. That does not work reliably. > Browsers will do their best In other words, they will fail. > Which one? Is there any cross-platform one with consistent design and UX? I don't think so. Frankly, even Electron applications are better than making web pages that behave incorrectly.

gear54rus 8y ago

Well sorry you can't use some chat app without internet connection, our bad.

genericid 8y ago
Not everything is a chat application. But even a chat application can and should partially work without an internet connection: Reading old messages and composing new ones can work offline.
- egeozcan 8y ago
  That has nothing to do with Javascript. If you use canonical, cacheable URIs for your requests, my method above works fine. In my day job, I'm working on a CRM and sales system that is 100% web based and does work offline and is even offline-first (I love you Germany, but your mobile network sucks). There may be many other problems with it but offline is mostly a solved problem in the web world.
  - genericid 8y ago
    Quick experiment: In a new Firefox profile, I opened a couple of websites [1]. Then I went offline and tried to load them again. Every time I just got the default "server not found" page of Firefox. "Offline" is no more solved "not hijacking scrolling", "linkable URLs" and "not re-inventing <a href> badly". [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/, https://www.google.com/ https://www.google.com/, https://en.wikipedia.org https://en.wikipedia.org, https://www.reddit.com/ https://www.reddit.com/, https://www.nytimes.com https://www.nytimes.com
    - egeozcan 8y ago
      Did you try right clicking and choosing "Save as..."? As I said before, it's a 5-minute thing to get started with service-workers. Web-sites can use that and then you don't even need to save. There is this great offline library, fellow developers! Use it! What other platform gives you such easy-to-use offline capabilities? > "not hijacking scrolling", "linkable URLs" and "not re-inventing <a href> badly" You are dealing with a Turing-complete language here. Navigation situation is still way better than the applets. What is the alternative you are supporting instead the current situation?
      - genericid 8y ago
        > As I said before, it's a 5-minute thing to get started with service-workers. Web-sites can use that and then you don't even need to save. I don't care if websites can use that if they don't. > You are dealing with a Turing-complete language here. That's the fucking problem. > What is the alternative you are supporting instead the current situation? Using a proper application platform instead of a pile of hacks on top of the web. Without that pile of hacks, the web would actually be usable because publishers would not be able to break the UX.
        egeozcan 8y ago
        > I don't care if websites can use that if they don't. It's new, and you can still save pages. Browsers will do their best to include all resources they depend as well. > Using a proper application platform instead Which one? Is there any cross-platform one with consistent design and UX? I don't think so.
        genericid 8y ago
        > It's new, and you can still save pages No, I can't. That does not work reliably. > Browsers will do their best In other words, they will fail. > Which one? Is there any cross-platform one with consistent design and UX? I don't think so. Frankly, even Electron applications are better than making web pages that behave incorrectly.