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Not true. This might be happening if you are trying to host a server on your domestic internet connection, those IP ranges are usually banned in spam filters. B

Not true. This might be happening if you are trying to host a server on your domestic internet connection, those IP ranges are usually banned in spam filters. But you can easily host your e-mail server on a real datacenter server or something similar, and you'll have almost no problems with spam filtering. (In fact many companies and even individuals already do this and have done this for long time.)

CyberShadow 8y ago
> (In fact many companies and even individuals already do this and have done this for long time.) Yes, with mixed results. For one instance, see the trouble Linux people are having with getting messages delivered to Linus' Gmail inbox. I recall reading that some have needed to sign up for Gmail specifically just to get their patches to Linus. Plus, the 2015 occurrence with Gmail having a 20% false positive rate: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DiG9qANf5PA https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DiG9qANf5PA
wastholm 8y ago
Honest question: Where do people get this idea that they state so confidently, that it's "impossible" to run one's own mail server? Have they actually tried or are they just repeating what they've heard? Counter-anecdote: I have run my own mail server for several years. I use it for all my email communication, and also send out daily emails to a couple of thousand subscribers[1] who are on all sorts of email providers. The "canary accounts" I have set up on all the big providers all seem to have their subscription messages delivered straight to the inbox just fine, though I should probably monitor this better somehow. [1] the Aphorism of the Day, https://www.aphorismsgalore.com/ https://www.aphorismsgalore.com/
loup-vaillant 8y ago
> Not true. This might be happening if you are trying to host a server on your domestic internet connection, those IP ranges are usually banned in spam filters. This is pretty much what "hosting your own" really means. Having SSH access to some virtual machine somewhere is much better than letting gmail read all your mail, but it's still isn't self hosting. You could still use the remote host as a mere relay, but it's still not ideal. Real self hosting means having your box at home, sending and receiving mail directly. And that is effectively impossible. Self hosting is dead. I'm not sure how we could resurrect it.
- yrro 8y ago
  Host at home, relay via an IP address owned by a hosting provider. Pragmatism meets idealism. Of course, I don't do this because I don't want to rely on my consumer internet connection or domestic electricity provider, and my flat is too small for a rack anyway. Also the noise, electricity bills and waste heat play a part. Some things are best done centrally. I am happy with servers in the cloud, I really don't miss having to travel half way across the country to replace a hard drive...
  - loup-vaillant 8y ago
    > Host at home, relay via an IP address owned by a hosting provider. As I said, "You could still use the remote host as a mere relay, but it's still not ideal". And by the way, as much as I'd like to host my email at home, I still gave in somewhat and use a remote virtual machine (at https://gandi.net https://gandi.net). > my flat is too small for a rack anyway. Also the noise, electricity bills and waste heat play a part. You need less than 5W, a small shoe box worth of space, and no fan at all to host your email at home. R-Pi, Sheeva plug… A web site with moderate traffic might be more problematic. But we're nowhere near a rack. For remote hosting, you don't need more than a fraction of a CPU core. Reliability, though, that can be a real problem. And a big reason why I still use my virtual hosting provider. I'd love a redundant setup, where if something goes down, the backup takes over, and notifies you about needing to replace a piece of hardware. (Of course, it should be plug & play so my grandma could do it… one can dream.)
laumars 8y ago
> Not true. This might be happening if you are trying to host a server on your domestic internet connection, those IP ranges are usually banned in spam filters. As are many cloud hosts / VPSs. AWS, OVH, Digital Ocean, etc I've heard plenty of horror stories from people trying to run mail servers on all kinds of cloud platforms (and personally experienced issues on EC2 instances myself)

CyberShadow 8y ago

> (In fact many companies and even individuals already do this and have done this for long time.) Yes, with mixed results. For one instance, see the trouble Linux people are having with getting messages delivered to Linus' Gmail inbox. I recall reading that some have needed to sign up for Gmail specifically just to get their patches to Linus. Plus, the 2015 occurrence with Gmail having a 20% false positive rate: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DiG9qANf5PA https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/DiG9qANf5PA

wastholm 8y ago

Honest question: Where do people get this idea that they state so confidently, that it's "impossible" to run one's own mail server? Have they actually tried or are they just repeating what they've heard? Counter-anecdote: I have run my own mail server for several years. I use it for all my email communication, and also send out daily emails to a couple of thousand subscribers[1] who are on all sorts of email providers. The "canary accounts" I have set up on all the big providers all seem to have their subscription messages delivered straight to the inbox just fine, though I should probably monitor this better somehow. [1] the Aphorism of the Day, https://www.aphorismsgalore.com/ https://www.aphorismsgalore.com/

loup-vaillant 8y ago

> Not true. This might be happening if you are trying to host a server on your domestic internet connection, those IP ranges are usually banned in spam filters. This is pretty much what "hosting your own" really means. Having SSH access to some virtual machine somewhere is much better than letting gmail read all your mail, but it's still isn't self hosting. You could still use the remote host as a mere relay, but it's still not ideal. Real self hosting means having your box at home, sending and receiving mail directly. And that is effectively impossible. Self hosting is dead. I'm not sure how we could resurrect it.

yrro 8y ago
Host at home, relay via an IP address owned by a hosting provider. Pragmatism meets idealism. Of course, I don't do this because I don't want to rely on my consumer internet connection or domestic electricity provider, and my flat is too small for a rack anyway. Also the noise, electricity bills and waste heat play a part. Some things are best done centrally. I am happy with servers in the cloud, I really don't miss having to travel half way across the country to replace a hard drive...
- loup-vaillant 8y ago
  > Host at home, relay via an IP address owned by a hosting provider. As I said, "You could still use the remote host as a mere relay, but it's still not ideal". And by the way, as much as I'd like to host my email at home, I still gave in somewhat and use a remote virtual machine (at https://gandi.net https://gandi.net). > my flat is too small for a rack anyway. Also the noise, electricity bills and waste heat play a part. You need less than 5W, a small shoe box worth of space, and no fan at all to host your email at home. R-Pi, Sheeva plug… A web site with moderate traffic might be more problematic. But we're nowhere near a rack. For remote hosting, you don't need more than a fraction of a CPU core. Reliability, though, that can be a real problem. And a big reason why I still use my virtual hosting provider. I'd love a redundant setup, where if something goes down, the backup takes over, and notifies you about needing to replace a piece of hardware. (Of course, it should be plug & play so my grandma could do it… one can dream.)

laumars 8y ago

> Not true. This might be happening if you are trying to host a server on your domestic internet connection, those IP ranges are usually banned in spam filters. As are many cloud hosts / VPSs. AWS, OVH, Digital Ocean, etc I've heard plenty of horror stories from people trying to run mail servers on all kinds of cloud platforms (and personally experienced issues on EC2 instances myself)