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Every single time an article comes up about this someone says this, and every single time someone refutes this saying that 7nm is a lie. Intel 10nm is supposed

Every single time an article comes up about this someone says this, and every single time someone refutes this saying that 7nm is a lie. Intel 10nm is supposed to be more dense than TSMC 7nm (if they ever get there).

phire 8y ago
This fact keeps getting more and more exaggerated as time goes on. Yes, intel's 10nm absolutely smashes Samsung, GF and TSMC's 10nm processes. Yes Intel's 10nm should be very competitive/comparable with Samsung/GF/TSMC's 7nm processes. But all of the Intel 10nm metrics are slightly worse than the 7nm processes its now competing with. To cherrypick one metric as an example - * TSMC 10nm sram bitcell size: 0.042 µm² * Intel 10nm sram bitcell size: 0.031 µm² * TSMC 7nm sram bitcell size: 0.027 µm²
- gimmeThaBeet 8y ago
  Thank you for actually showing feature size metrics, it has been a bit maddening to see people say 'you can compare them directly' but then I can't find a lot of comparisons about any kinds of features.
  - redtuesday 8y ago
    If you want that I recommend to look at semiwiki [0] and wikichip [1][2] [0] https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7343-leading-edge-logic-landscape-2018-a.html https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7343-leading-edge-log... [1] https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/10_nm_lithography_process https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/10_nm_lithography_process [2] https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process
- unwind 8y ago
  Meta: indenting is for code, and very hard to read on mobile.
deepnotderp 8y ago
Tsmc "7nm" and Intel "10nm" are roughly identical. Intel random logic is a bit denser thanks to COAG, SDG and BEOL and TSMC SRAM is a decent bit denser, that's mostly it.
- deaddodo 8y ago
  No, TSMC 7nm is slightly ahead of Intel 10nm. Not 3nm ahead, but still, better. Also, one exists and the other is a broken hunk of silicon. That's the most important metric.

phire 8y ago

This fact keeps getting more and more exaggerated as time goes on. Yes, intel's 10nm absolutely smashes Samsung, GF and TSMC's 10nm processes. Yes Intel's 10nm should be very competitive/comparable with Samsung/GF/TSMC's 7nm processes. But all of the Intel 10nm metrics are slightly worse than the 7nm processes its now competing with. To cherrypick one metric as an example - * TSMC 10nm sram bitcell size: 0.042 µm² * Intel 10nm sram bitcell size: 0.031 µm² * TSMC 7nm sram bitcell size: 0.027 µm²

gimmeThaBeet 8y ago
Thank you for actually showing feature size metrics, it has been a bit maddening to see people say 'you can compare them directly' but then I can't find a lot of comparisons about any kinds of features.
- redtuesday 8y ago
  If you want that I recommend to look at semiwiki [0] and wikichip [1][2] [0] https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7343-leading-edge-logic-landscape-2018-a.html https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/content/7343-leading-edge-log... [1] https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/10_nm_lithography_process https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/10_nm_lithography_process [2] https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/7_nm_lithography_process
unwind 8y ago
Meta: indenting is for code, and very hard to read on mobile.

deepnotderp 8y ago

Tsmc "7nm" and Intel "10nm" are roughly identical. Intel random logic is a bit denser thanks to COAG, SDG and BEOL and TSMC SRAM is a decent bit denser, that's mostly it.

deaddodo 8y ago
No, TSMC 7nm is slightly ahead of Intel 10nm. Not 3nm ahead, but still, better. Also, one exists and the other is a broken hunk of silicon. That's the most important metric.