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DJ rig with two Amiga 1200 PCs
- milkmiruku 8y agoMixxx can mix modules, though needs to be compiled with modplug=1 in the scons arguments. AUR mixxx-git and Fedora RPM Fusion packages at least have that enabled. - https://www.mixxx.org https://www.mixxx.org There's also Chipdisco, in Java, but mono (one channel for preview, one for live). - https://echolevel.co.uk/post/1486312636973-Chipdisco https://echolevel.co.uk/post/1486312636973-Chipdisco Some links to module repos and a download script: - https://gist.github.com/milkmiruku/32a9d023c3e05fdb41c4dc8a9a168d50 https://gist.github.com/milkmiruku/32a9d023c3e05fdb41c4dc8a9...
- grawprog 8y agoI love mixxx. It's an awesome program. I really appreciate the work that's gone into it. Especially after adding 4 decks and additional effects plugins. Combined with JACK it becomes extremely powerful It's definitely fully capable of competing with serato or traitor. I'm really impressed and very appreciative o all the work the devs have put into mixxx. Actually, how does sound work on the Amiga? Is it more like ASIO or JACK in the way it works? Or something totally different?
- wk_end 8y agoIt's not really comparable. There's no driver or abstraction (or memory protection, or anything) on the Amiga - you're bit-banging against the hardware directly.
- grawprog 8y agoOk thanks, I suppose that makes sense. I guess the Amiga didn't have a lot of room for that. Though i've heard it was one of the best multimedia computers of it's time. I've always thought digital audio was cool. Especially stuff from back then with limits hardware had.
- Annatar 8y agoThere is a driver, has been for the past 25 years: AHI. It then has specialised drivers for different types of hardware, Paula included. Sotware targeting AHI has audio hardware abstracted away. The user picks the output driver, which could be one of the Amiga audio cards which AHI supports or the Paula chip. For all intents and purposes, AHI treats the Paula chip as yet another audio card.
- milkmiruku 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Chip_Set#Paula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Chip_Set#Paula https://bel.fi/alankila/modguide/interpolate.txt https://bel.fi/alankila/modguide/interpolate.txt N.b. the Mixxx method [using libmodplug] renders the modules as a regular stereo track in memory, so no subtrack muting/etc.
- boomlinde 8y agoOn the Amiga there are four channels of audio playback that can play sample data from memory using DMA at varying rates. You just set up a sample address, a loop point and the playback rate in some registers and the hardware does the rest.
- senorjazz 8y agoThere seems to be a bit of a 'renaissance' at least for some jungle producers to produce on the gear as used in the early 90s. Amigas feature prominently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WeKUEL6GNE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WeKUEL6GNE
- drsopp 8y ago‘Amiga PCs’ is an oxymoron.
- unicornporn 8y agoAre you saying the Amigas weren't personal computers?
- detaro 8y ago"PC" was a very clear label for "(mostly) IBM PC compatible" systems. They're all various forms of personal computers, but not meant when people say "PC".
- ekianjo 8y agoYou are missing the context completely. At the time (late 80s, early 90s) Amigas were one of the main alternative against "PCs", so nobody would have said "Amiga PC". Just like you dont say "Mac PC".
- orionblastar 8y agoAmiga had the IBM PC Bridgecard to run DOS and Windows on it. (I think it even ran OS/2 and others). The only PC that Commodore made was the Colt series. It was a PC compatible that Commodore botched in marketing by saying "It is not a PC Clone, it is a Commodore!" of course it was a PC Clone that is what people wanted.
- mattl 8y agoAfter the ESCOM buyout they produced a bunch of PCs for the UK market (maybe others) branded as Commodore. Edit: Mine came with dual boot OS/2 Warp and Windows 95.
- orionblastar 8y agoI don't live in the UK so I didn't know about the PC clones by Commodore in the UK. I was talking about Commodore before they got bought out by Escom ect. I almost bought a PC Colt but got a generic 386DX PC a friend of mine sold me used that was cheaper.
- digi_owl 8y agoGotta love Retro Man Cave, delightfully British. Edit: On a different note, i would love to see a ssd based "floppy" that was loaded with the solid clunk of the 3.5" floppy.
- abbeyj 8y agohttps://www.pcworld.com/article/3038787/computers/sd-card-hack-breathes-new-life-into-this-old-floppy-drive.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/3038787/computers/sd-card-ha...
- digi_owl 8y agoClever. But i was thinking more of using the whole surface area of a floppy as a PCB and cover it with flash chips.
- tschellenbach 8y agoMonkey Island on the Amiga, happy memories. Insert floppy disk number 11 :D
- roghummal 8y agoThey removed the stump joke from later (CD onward?) editions because it generated too many calls to support about missing disks. Damn shame! :)
- sgt 8y agoYes that's a hilarious one. I seem to only remember that it was disk 22 though. See: http://asset-5.soupcdn.com/asset/1692/9226_5a7c_640.png http://asset-5.soupcdn.com/asset/1692/9226_5a7c_640.png
- yeahdef 8y agothis is fantastic - love the sound of these tunes.
- zerohp 8y agoArticle is wrong about Amigas having mono output. Every Amiga model has stereo output. It was one of the many things that set it apart.
- puzzle 8y agoIndeed. But the Amiga had hard panning: two voices played on the left output (and only there), while the other two on the right. And listening to music on headphones was always awkward because of that. Perhaps the author meant that they use a special cable to blend the two outputs a bit (e.g. 70/30% like some software MOD players do). Or perhaps the tracker plays the same sample on two voices? Looking at the demo video, it does look like they have a splitter plugged into one of the audio outputs. Edit: I seem to remember that later Amiga models automatically mix to mono if only one connector was in use. They must be doing this because of the hard panning. It makes sense for a DJ, too, because at times you might be wearing headphones only on one ear.
- soegaard 8y ago> Perhaps the author meant that they use a special cable to > blend the two outputs a bit (e.g. 70/30% like some software > MOD players do). That's what Ravi shows in the video at 4:30.
- orionblastar 8y agoI am amazed by the support of the Amiga long after it died. They are still making stuff for it. A500, A600, A1200 motherboards can be placed into a Checkmate 1500 Plus case to be used like a desktop PC: http://www.amigasystems.com/ http://www.amigasystems.com/ Maybe I should say desktop Amiga like the Amiga 2000 was.
- ir0nic 8y agoThis brings me back. Anyone remember Future Crew demos?
- Annatar 8y agoI do. They ushered a new era on the PC, where PC finally had something that could compare with the demo quality of Amiga demos. To be more concrete, it was "Second Reality" that they did it with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFv7mHTf0nA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFv7mHTf0nA and here's Future Crew making it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIIBRr31DIU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIIBRr31DIU Europe and Summer school holidays. Perfect time to code.
- TheJoYo 8y agochiptunes, man.
- Annatar 8y agoNot necessarily; Amiga can play four channels of 8-bit sample output of arbitrary length, limited only by the available CHIP RAM, at 22 KHz (or thereabouts). A chip tune is generated by a specialized sound chip, like the MOS 6581 which can normally not play sampled output, although that barrier has been broken in the last few years by tweaking the sound volume at high rates. Ironically enough, the "chip tune" nomenclature comes from the Amiga where very short sampled sounds which played would generate chirps and blirps akin to the Yamaha and SID chips, but for reasons other than one might think: chip tunes were at first made out of necessity, because the overall intro in front of the crack had to be small since there usually wasn't much space on the cracked game's disk. But all Amigas can play stereo digitised samples in a 2 + 2 channel configuration.
- jgh 8y agoWhen I was in my early 20's (in the early 2000's) I did a lot of DJing at raves, one thing that really stuck with me was one night the 'DJ' after me had a toolbox. He plugged it in to the mixing board and opened it up and it had 8 gameboys in it (original Gameboy), and that's what he performed his set using. It was pretty amazing to see.
- posting2fast 8y agoWas it DJ Scotch Egg by any chance?
- jgh 8y agoI honestly don't remember, we're talking like 15 years ago or so. If he was using gameboys around that time it's certainly possible, there couldn't have been too many people doing it.
- codetrotter 8y agoFor anyone wanting to make music on Game Boy, check out LSDJ. https://www.littlesounddj.com/lsd/index.php https://www.littlesounddj.com/lsd/index.php
- posting2fast 8y agoDJ Scotch Egg is a Japanese fella who doesn't mind crowdsurfing even when there is hardly anyone there. Even if the music isn't your cup of tea (it isn't really mine), just the person himself is worth checking out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EpOqe-Ym0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1EpOqe-Ym0
- laumars 8y agoOh man that is the oddest set I've watched in a while. I absolutely love it. It makes me want to hook my Gameboy and midi controllers / keyboard's back up to my Atari STfm
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- aidos 8y agoBack in the 90s on weekends my dad would bring home one of the PCs from the high school where he taught. Other students at the school had access to it so it became a weird sort of communication portal. My mates would cycle over with a backpack full of discs and we would install, say Dune II on the machine and send it back to school. One day it arrived with a tracker, a load of mods, and some demoscene files and it totally blew our minds. From then on I wanted to write software. I do recall slightly later in the 90s seeing guys using a PC with a tracker at a forest rave. Probably didn't have the pitch control etc so they were probably using it alongside decks. Nice to see that there's still work going on to make "modern" tracker software for djing.
- beagle3 8y ago(semirelated): The Amiga, all the way back to the Amiga 1000 from 1985, had 4 channel (2 on the left, 2 on the right, no configuration here), 8-bit DMA output with a 6-bit analog amplifier. I've heard claims that the 6-bit analog amplifier was sufficiently precise that you could combine two 8-bit channels into one 14-bit channel (in 1985!) per stereo channel. I guess it's possible, but I still question this. Anyone here know if that's actually true?
- posting2fast 8y agoVery much looks like it's true, but I don't know when that trick first was discovered: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amiga+14-bit+sound https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amiga+14-bit+sound
- zengid 8y agoI wonder why audio software seems to be a bigger deal in Europe.
- philjohn 8y agoA lot of the early demo scene was based over here, especially in Northern Europe. Lots of those had music, and I guess that kind of low level programming lured people into doing low level programming for things like DAWs.