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> The Dravidian language referred here is Tamil. The "even older Dravidian [language]" referred to in the article is not exactly Tamil. The oldest written evid
by lgessler 8y ago
> The Dravidian language referred here is Tamil.
The "even older Dravidian [language]" referred to in the article is not exactly Tamil. The oldest written evidence we have for Old Tamil[1] dates to the 3rd century BC[2]. But we're told that this word is in Sanskrit's vocabulary, which was already developed well before then. (Some people date the Vedas to the 15th century BC.)
That means it probably didn't come from Tamil, and instead came from some other, older Dravidian language. That might be Proto-Dravidian, the common ancestor of all Dravidian languages (Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Telugu, etc.), or some other ancient Dravidian language that we don't have a record of.
(That seems likely, because that's generally how other Dravidian words in Sanskrit are thought to have gotten there: Skt. फल (phala) 'fruit' is thought to have been borrowed from Proto-Dravidian *palam, which has descended into Tamil பழம் (paḻam), Malayalam പഴം (paḻaṃ), etc.)
Some English words actually are directly from Tamil, though. Curry[3] and mango[4] are both directly from Tamil.
[1]: Old Tamil is actually quite different from Modern Tamil, but let's not get into that
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tamil_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tamil_language
[3]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curry#Etymology_1 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curry#Etymology_1
[4]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mango#Etymology https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mango#Etymology
- dzhshnacct 8y agoonly westerners date vedas to 15 century BC to prop up the fantasy of europeans being aryans and support the aryan invasion theory indians date it quite securely via astronomical observations in the texts of dhruva the pole star to 3000 BC or 5kya dhruva was thuban or alpha draconis of draco or the indian constellation sisumara whale dolphin there were no pole stars from about 2300 BC to 1500 AD but the knowledge of the previous one was preserved in india the rig veda and some other vedas even predate the dhruva observation but have not been securely dated
- iamshs 8y agoAre you using that absolutely non-credible David Frawley’s non peer reviewed assertions regarding the astronomical dating of Vedas? Please post a credible source for whole of your post.
- dzhshnacct 8y agoR N Iyengar http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hindu-Pole-Star http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hin... https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar personally dont care about peer review status since we know the reasons westerners reject this information has nothing to do with science but self interest but you might be interested to know it was first proposed by a european named jacobi before europeans got the desire to be aryan leading to the world war and destruction video lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2lXuUMdoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2lXuUMdoo another person same conclusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW4iLBgxg8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW4iLBgxg8
- iamshs 8y agoI will wait for an article published in a journal which at least has an Impact Factor. Cannot even find impact factor for the journal you linked to. And your central theme is invalidating western views while proving Indian supremacy, I will not lend any credence to your views and assertions.
- dzhshnacct 8y agoimpact factor science is why the west will decline and fall and actual science will head back east to india and maybe china if they can get their act together
- ar-jan 8y agoFantasy? Then how come genetics is now starting to confirm steppe ancestry in Indians?
- dzhshnacct 8y agothe recent harvard preprint only had evidence for steppe women settling with indus men this was not noted in the paper itself but only on twitter you can imagine the ridiculousness of claims that women drove out dravidians and then installed a patriarchy i hope they do publish cause it would mark the low point of western science future historians can point to as the beginning of the fall in any case they have no evidence of steppe languages only inferences and we have strong evidence of sanskrit in india 3000 BC well before the fake aryan invasion claims of 1500 BC