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it's not really designed to have windows maximized I've heard this line before - people say it as if something disastrous would happen if Apple gave in and mad

it's not really designed to have windows maximized I've heard this line before - people say it as if something disastrous would happen if Apple gave in and made the green '+' a maximize button... so far nothing's coming to mind. (btw, I haven't used windows for anything other than testing IE for about 9 years, and I still hate Apple's choice regarding the 'zoom' button).

TheWama 19y ago
The disastrous thing is that it would be less useful to have a maximized window be 10x the size of its contents. For example, IMO the behavior of safari on maximize is just beautiful, because it's tailored to the specific website you're viewing. If the application is a window into your data, why make that window bigger than necessary, thus obscuring your desktop, or some other window behind it? That may not be disastrous, but I think its intent makes sense. Without further explanation, I end up suspecting that when he writes: "it almost never does what you’d want or expect it to," the emphasis is on his expectations as a Windows user, not on what he would prefer, all things being equal. [and for the record, I'm speaking as an Ubuntu user, who has never owned a mac]
- abstractbill 19y ago
  I want to obscure my desktop, and all the other windows. Why would I want that stuff in my peripheral vision when I'm busy working?
  - demallien 19y ago
    In which case you simply hit Cmd-Shift-H (or select 'Hide Others' in the app menu), which hides all but the active application... Personally though, I generally just use Spaces to have different screens containing only applications that I want to use together. So I'll have a programming doc open in Preview, next to my XCode project window. Or I'll have a web browser open with Textmate if I'm doing something with Rails. That way you only have the apps that you are interested in on screen in any given 'space'. Next quibble?
    - menloparkbum 19y ago
      Cmd-Shift-H actually sends you "home" if that option is available. Opt-Shift-H hides others. The lame thing about hide others is there isn't a built in key command to show all.
      - demallien 19y ago
        Lol, actually we're both wrong. It's Opt-Cmd-H... At least it is when using French keyboards...
        menloparkbum 19y ago
        whoops... yeah, that's it.
    - abstractbill 19y ago
      This is what my desktop looks like for more than 90% of the time: http://abstractnonsense.com/desktop.png http://abstractnonsense.com/desktop.png If emacs wasn't taking up the whole screen, I'd have a scrollbar running down the middle of the screen, which would be really visually distracting. I used virtual desktops a lot back when I used Linux for my desktop os. They're great, and I'm sure I'll use them again when I upgrade from Tiger. But, for me at least, they're no substitute for maximization.
      - jrockway 19y ago
        Do us a favor and hit C-x 3 sometime :) http://jrock.us/emacs-20080420.png http://jrock.us/emacs-20080420.png
        abstractbill 19y ago
        Heh, I'd never get anything done with all that clutter ;-)
        jrockway 19y ago

TheWama 19y ago

The disastrous thing is that it would be less useful to have a maximized window be 10x the size of its contents. For example, IMO the behavior of safari on maximize is just beautiful, because it's tailored to the specific website you're viewing. If the application is a window into your data, why make that window bigger than necessary, thus obscuring your desktop, or some other window behind it? That may not be disastrous, but I think its intent makes sense. Without further explanation, I end up suspecting that when he writes: "it almost never does what you’d want or expect it to," the emphasis is on his expectations as a Windows user, not on what he would prefer, all things being equal. [and for the record, I'm speaking as an Ubuntu user, who has never owned a mac]

abstractbill 19y ago
I want to obscure my desktop, and all the other windows. Why would I want that stuff in my peripheral vision when I'm busy working?
- demallien 19y ago
  In which case you simply hit Cmd-Shift-H (or select 'Hide Others' in the app menu), which hides all but the active application... Personally though, I generally just use Spaces to have different screens containing only applications that I want to use together. So I'll have a programming doc open in Preview, next to my XCode project window. Or I'll have a web browser open with Textmate if I'm doing something with Rails. That way you only have the apps that you are interested in on screen in any given 'space'. Next quibble?
  - menloparkbum 19y ago
    Cmd-Shift-H actually sends you "home" if that option is available. Opt-Shift-H hides others. The lame thing about hide others is there isn't a built in key command to show all.
    - demallien 19y ago
      Lol, actually we're both wrong. It's Opt-Cmd-H... At least it is when using French keyboards...
      - menloparkbum 19y ago
        whoops... yeah, that's it.
  - abstractbill 19y ago
    This is what my desktop looks like for more than 90% of the time: http://abstractnonsense.com/desktop.png http://abstractnonsense.com/desktop.png If emacs wasn't taking up the whole screen, I'd have a scrollbar running down the middle of the screen, which would be really visually distracting. I used virtual desktops a lot back when I used Linux for my desktop os. They're great, and I'm sure I'll use them again when I upgrade from Tiger. But, for me at least, they're no substitute for maximization.
    - jrockway 19y ago
      Do us a favor and hit C-x 3 sometime :) http://jrock.us/emacs-20080420.png http://jrock.us/emacs-20080420.png
      - abstractbill 19y ago
        Heh, I'd never get anything done with all that clutter ;-)
        jrockway 19y ago