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"possibly derived from an even older Dravidian (another ancient language spoken in what is now southern India) root, naru, meaning fragrant. " The Dravidian la

"possibly derived from an even older Dravidian (another ancient language spoken in what is now southern India) root, naru, meaning fragrant. " The Dravidian language referred here is Tamil. The fruit in the citrus family is called Narthangai. The unripe fruit makes a sour delicious pickle. It's such a joy to hear a Tamil word used everyday around the globe.

ap3 8y ago
Read all the way through, didn’t know it would end up at a Tamil word as the origin of naranja
- iamshs 8y ago
  I am wondering why didn't the word percolate to Punjabi language where we call the colour as "santri" and the fruit is called "santra". Hindi has the same word for it, I think.
  - msravi 8y ago
    Or to Kannada, where the fruit is called "kittaLe", despite also being classified a Dravidian language. Kannada and Telugu in general seem to have too many differences from Tamil and Malayalam to be lumped into a common bucket. The color has always been referred to as "kesari" in Kannada, and translates to saffron.
lgessler 8y ago
> The Dravidian language referred here is Tamil. The "even older Dravidian [language]" referred to in the article is not exactly Tamil. The oldest written evidence we have for Old Tamil[1] dates to the 3rd century BC[2]. But we're told that this word is in Sanskrit's vocabulary, which was already developed well before then. (Some people date the Vedas to the 15th century BC.) That means it probably didn't come from Tamil, and instead came from some other, older Dravidian language. That might be Proto-Dravidian, the common ancestor of all Dravidian languages (Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Telugu, etc.), or some other ancient Dravidian language that we don't have a record of. (That seems likely, because that's generally how other Dravidian words in Sanskrit are thought to have gotten there: Skt. फल (phala) 'fruit' is thought to have been borrowed from Proto-Dravidian *palam, which has descended into Tamil பழம் (paḻam), Malayalam പഴം (paḻaṃ), etc.) Some English words actually are directly from Tamil, though. Curry[3] and mango[4] are both directly from Tamil. [1]: Old Tamil is actually quite different from Modern Tamil, but let's not get into that [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tamil_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tamil_language [3]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curry#Etymology_1 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curry#Etymology_1 [4]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mango#Etymology https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mango#Etymology
- dzhshnacct 8y ago
  only westerners date vedas to 15 century BC to prop up the fantasy of europeans being aryans and support the aryan invasion theory indians date it quite securely via astronomical observations in the texts of dhruva the pole star to 3000 BC or 5kya dhruva was thuban or alpha draconis of draco or the indian constellation sisumara whale dolphin there were no pole stars from about 2300 BC to 1500 AD but the knowledge of the previous one was preserved in india the rig veda and some other vedas even predate the dhruva observation but have not been securely dated
  - iamshs 8y ago
    Are you using that absolutely non-credible David Frawley’s non peer reviewed assertions regarding the astronomical dating of Vedas? Please post a credible source for whole of your post.
    - dzhshnacct 8y ago
      R N Iyengar http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hindu-Pole-Star http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hin... https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar personally dont care about peer review status since we know the reasons westerners reject this information has nothing to do with science but self interest but you might be interested to know it was first proposed by a european named jacobi before europeans got the desire to be aryan leading to the world war and destruction video lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2lXuUMdoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2lXuUMdoo another person same conclusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW4iLBgxg8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW4iLBgxg8
      - iamshs 8y ago
        I will wait for an article published in a journal which at least has an Impact Factor. Cannot even find impact factor for the journal you linked to. And your central theme is invalidating western views while proving Indian supremacy, I will not lend any credence to your views and assertions.
raz32dust 8y ago
I think it is called an older Dravidian language, and not Tamil because the older Dravidian language cannot be called Tamil. It is vastly different from the Tamil that is spoken today. Calling a language the "oldest" is usually just veiled attempts at asserting racial/cultural superiority that does not really exist. Oscar Tay has a great answer on Quora explaining this, and I cannot state it any better: https://www.quora.com/Is-Tamil-the-oldest-living-language-in-the-world/answers/62500751 https://www.quora.com/Is-Tamil-the-oldest-living-language-in...
dzhshnacct 8y ago
the word for rice also comes from tamil arici and not from the chinese mi unexpectedly even the japanese use a form of the tamil word coupled with the chinese word uruchi mai leading to theories of dravidian japanese linkages or atleast contact and trade but the debate of whether the tamil word itself comes from sanskrit vrihi is not settled there is the possibility of agriculture spreading to north india from south india and lanka starting 17.5kya and then on to the fertile crescent as well contrary to popular beliefs http://indiafacts.org/how-old-is-indian-agriculture/ http://indiafacts.org/how-old-is-indian-agriculture/
- iamshs 8y ago
  Why are linking to a site that is known to spread falsehoods?
  - dzhshnacct 8y ago
    yes the site is anathema to indian marxists please argue on merits of the content of the article if you think there is something false please point to the specifics
    - iamshs 8y ago
      Indian marxist? No wonder you belong and advocate views of Hindu nationalist party of India, BJP. Pathetic diss. Two Points regarding the article:- 1. Author says agriculture first started in Sri Lanka, and then uses that to say India was the country where agriculture started. Completely ignoring the fact that Sri Lanka is not in India. 2. Author says, "India cannot now be ruled out as the home of the grape, in which case, we would have a Neolithic-era spread of a crop from India to the FC and beyond." His whole assertion is this paper [A], where all the paper authors say is that grape could have been present in India before the presently accepted timeline, they don't say anything about India being home of the grape or even if grape spread out from India. IndiaFacts did quite a reach there just for proving supremacy of India. So yeah again, a better site for your ignorant BS. It is better to not bring your level of discourse to this site. [A] - http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_097_04_0564_0572_0.pdf http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_097_04_...

ap3 8y ago

Read all the way through, didn’t know it would end up at a Tamil word as the origin of naranja

iamshs 8y ago
I am wondering why didn't the word percolate to Punjabi language where we call the colour as "santri" and the fruit is called "santra". Hindi has the same word for it, I think.
- msravi 8y ago
  Or to Kannada, where the fruit is called "kittaLe", despite also being classified a Dravidian language. Kannada and Telugu in general seem to have too many differences from Tamil and Malayalam to be lumped into a common bucket. The color has always been referred to as "kesari" in Kannada, and translates to saffron.

lgessler 8y ago

> The Dravidian language referred here is Tamil. The "even older Dravidian [language]" referred to in the article is not exactly Tamil. The oldest written evidence we have for Old Tamil[1] dates to the 3rd century BC[2]. But we're told that this word is in Sanskrit's vocabulary, which was already developed well before then. (Some people date the Vedas to the 15th century BC.) That means it probably didn't come from Tamil, and instead came from some other, older Dravidian language. That might be Proto-Dravidian, the common ancestor of all Dravidian languages (Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Telugu, etc.), or some other ancient Dravidian language that we don't have a record of. (That seems likely, because that's generally how other Dravidian words in Sanskrit are thought to have gotten there: Skt. फल (phala) 'fruit' is thought to have been borrowed from Proto-Dravidian *palam, which has descended into Tamil பழம் (paḻam), Malayalam പഴം (paḻaṃ), etc.) Some English words actually are directly from Tamil, though. Curry[3] and mango[4] are both directly from Tamil. [1]: Old Tamil is actually quite different from Modern Tamil, but let's not get into that [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tamil_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Tamil_language [3]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curry#Etymology_1 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/curry#Etymology_1 [4]: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mango#Etymology https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mango#Etymology

dzhshnacct 8y ago
only westerners date vedas to 15 century BC to prop up the fantasy of europeans being aryans and support the aryan invasion theory indians date it quite securely via astronomical observations in the texts of dhruva the pole star to 3000 BC or 5kya dhruva was thuban or alpha draconis of draco or the indian constellation sisumara whale dolphin there were no pole stars from about 2300 BC to 1500 AD but the knowledge of the previous one was preserved in india the rig veda and some other vedas even predate the dhruva observation but have not been securely dated
- iamshs 8y ago
  Are you using that absolutely non-credible David Frawley’s non peer reviewed assertions regarding the astronomical dating of Vedas? Please post a credible source for whole of your post.
  - dzhshnacct 8y ago
    R N Iyengar http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hindu-Pole-Star http://www.academia.edu/7193503/Dhruva-the-Ancient-Vedic-Hin... https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar https://www.researchgate.net/profile/RN_Iyengar personally dont care about peer review status since we know the reasons westerners reject this information has nothing to do with science but self interest but you might be interested to know it was first proposed by a european named jacobi before europeans got the desire to be aryan leading to the world war and destruction video lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2lXuUMdoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R2lXuUMdoo another person same conclusion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW4iLBgxg8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfW4iLBgxg8
    - iamshs 8y ago
      I will wait for an article published in a journal which at least has an Impact Factor. Cannot even find impact factor for the journal you linked to. And your central theme is invalidating western views while proving Indian supremacy, I will not lend any credence to your views and assertions.

raz32dust 8y ago

I think it is called an older Dravidian language, and not Tamil because the older Dravidian language cannot be called Tamil. It is vastly different from the Tamil that is spoken today. Calling a language the "oldest" is usually just veiled attempts at asserting racial/cultural superiority that does not really exist. Oscar Tay has a great answer on Quora explaining this, and I cannot state it any better: https://www.quora.com/Is-Tamil-the-oldest-living-language-in-the-world/answers/62500751 https://www.quora.com/Is-Tamil-the-oldest-living-language-in...

dzhshnacct 8y ago

the word for rice also comes from tamil arici and not from the chinese mi unexpectedly even the japanese use a form of the tamil word coupled with the chinese word uruchi mai leading to theories of dravidian japanese linkages or atleast contact and trade but the debate of whether the tamil word itself comes from sanskrit vrihi is not settled there is the possibility of agriculture spreading to north india from south india and lanka starting 17.5kya and then on to the fertile crescent as well contrary to popular beliefs http://indiafacts.org/how-old-is-indian-agriculture/ http://indiafacts.org/how-old-is-indian-agriculture/

iamshs 8y ago
Why are linking to a site that is known to spread falsehoods?
- dzhshnacct 8y ago
  yes the site is anathema to indian marxists please argue on merits of the content of the article if you think there is something false please point to the specifics
  - iamshs 8y ago
    Indian marxist? No wonder you belong and advocate views of Hindu nationalist party of India, BJP. Pathetic diss. Two Points regarding the article:- 1. Author says agriculture first started in Sri Lanka, and then uses that to say India was the country where agriculture started. Completely ignoring the fact that Sri Lanka is not in India. 2. Author says, "India cannot now be ruled out as the home of the grape, in which case, we would have a Neolithic-era spread of a crop from India to the FC and beyond." His whole assertion is this paper [A], where all the paper authors say is that grape could have been present in India before the presently accepted timeline, they don't say anything about India being home of the grape or even if grape spread out from India. IndiaFacts did quite a reach there just for proving supremacy of India. So yeah again, a better site for your ignorant BS. It is better to not bring your level of discourse to this site. [A] - http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_097_04_0564_0572_0.pdf http://www.currentscience.ac.in/Downloads/article_id_097_04_...