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I confess to having a certain fondness for reading into the secretive nature of Chinese perception operations. How does one efficiently solve this problem howe

I confess to having a certain fondness for reading into the secretive nature of Chinese perception operations. How does one efficiently solve this problem however? If we, in a case like the pro-china counterprotest described in the article, decide to nab the guys off the street on counts of suspected espionage what is the repercussion we should all fear? Bad press? Chinese students and engineers pulling out of the US tech sector? While I feel terribly conflicted about a government that exerts such fear on their people as someone who wants to believe in the individuality of a person, surely the repercussions of countering Chinese espionage aren't any worse than say...investigating Russian social media influence?

KaoruAoiShiho 8y ago
Just ban all Chinese students seriously. The idea that they're mostly coerced into it is farcical, they tend to be an extremely patriotic bunch. They'll always be a danger if they're here.
- dang 8y ago
  Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
UncleEntity 8y ago
> Chinese students and engineers pulling out of the US tech sector? I'm sure the ones who were coerced into participating in the counter-protest wouldn't care enough to hop on the next plane home. Has to be kind of disheartening, minding your own business when all of a sudden you get a knock on the door and a "request" to trample all over the civil rights of the citizens of your host country "or else."
- 07d046 8y ago
  > Has to be kind of disheartening My impression is that most Chinese students wouldn't have a problem doing this. "Civil rights" aren't really a thing in Chinese thinking, and the "patriotic education" in China does an excellent job at convincing them that the Dalai Lama and Falun Gong are evil, and Tibet and Hong Kong and Taiwan are indisputably part of China.
lovich 8y ago
We'd probably start trading less and everyone is worse off then if we just traded freely. However that might be worth it if one party is not playing by the same rules. I doubt china would let thousands of foreigners organize into a protest in China at their governments behest
- 07d046 8y ago
  I doubt China would let thousands of Chinese organise a protest in China either...

KaoruAoiShiho 8y ago

Just ban all Chinese students seriously. The idea that they're mostly coerced into it is farcical, they tend to be an extremely patriotic bunch. They'll always be a danger if they're here.

dang 8y ago
Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. Please don't post like this again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

UncleEntity 8y ago

> Chinese students and engineers pulling out of the US tech sector? I'm sure the ones who were coerced into participating in the counter-protest wouldn't care enough to hop on the next plane home. Has to be kind of disheartening, minding your own business when all of a sudden you get a knock on the door and a "request" to trample all over the civil rights of the citizens of your host country "or else."

07d046 8y ago
> Has to be kind of disheartening My impression is that most Chinese students wouldn't have a problem doing this. "Civil rights" aren't really a thing in Chinese thinking, and the "patriotic education" in China does an excellent job at convincing them that the Dalai Lama and Falun Gong are evil, and Tibet and Hong Kong and Taiwan are indisputably part of China.

lovich 8y ago

We'd probably start trading less and everyone is worse off then if we just traded freely. However that might be worth it if one party is not playing by the same rules. I doubt china would let thousands of foreigners organize into a protest in China at their governments behest

07d046 8y ago
I doubt China would let thousands of Chinese organise a protest in China either...