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It's crazy. The data is basically worthless. I honestly don't know if they will survive for more than a few months. I was just thinking, what could they possib

It's crazy. The data is basically worthless. I honestly don't know if they will survive for more than a few months. I was just thinking, what could they possibly do to survive as long as possible? They could introduce incentives to reduce the number of movies people saw a week? Maybe some kind of credit system, where customers built up points towards a premium membership. They could also start taking the most expensive users of their platform. For whatever reason they could. Ban users sharing accounts. Introduce friction somehow. Get them to reenter their payment info. The customer data is mostly worthless but it's scary. They could weaponize it. Announce to high use customers that they're going to sell non premium customer data. Might scare off some privacy minded customers. Strong arm theaters somehow? Send customers to certain theaters and away from others by dangling credits toward premium or some other incentive structure

Robin_Message 8y ago
Weaponizing customer data like that would literally be illegal in the EU, so doesn't seem like the best plan... Other ideas might work!
- martin_bech 8y ago
  Moviepass is not available in the EU.
  - Robin_Message 8y ago
    Oh okay, that's alright then /s
  - jsgo 8y ago
    true, but I think their point is that if the policy catches on there as popular, what is to prevent the US (or others) from implementing similar laws? Relying on a business model that could reasonably be illegal after the stroke of a pen by a legislator is not a good thing. And legislators are at least putting on the appearance of being concerned about user data after the Facebook/Cambridge Analytica thing would cause one to exercise even more caution.
    - stuckinarut 8y ago
      Regulatory capture, bribes (AKA lobbying), a culture that devalues privacy, a culture that places corporate rights over individual rights, a culture that doesn't like sane limitations on contracts, etc... So long as Google is an 800B behemoth who invests more than anyone else in lobbying, monetizing customer data (and sucking up massively more data than needed) is going to be legal.
chaostheory 8y ago
> They could introduce incentives to reduce the number of movies people saw a week? They could also start taking the most expensive users of their platform They've already done this. Just like unlimited data doesn't really mean unlimited. I guess they need to lower the thresh hold even more and affect more of their customers?
justizin 8y ago
> They could introduce incentives to reduce the number of movies people saw a week? Since I joined, they pretty much did this by limiting people from seeing a movie more than once. There just aren't that many movies, and nobody really wants to see every movie that's out. It's pretty frustrating how they sold me a year-long subscription and then immediately started changing what I bought. I'd rather they used some of this borrowed money to refund the remainder of my year.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago
  > I'd rather they used some of this borrowed money to refund the remainder of my year Issue a chargeback.
cabaalis 8y ago
Use some of the funding to start their own theater chains?

Robin_Message 8y ago

Weaponizing customer data like that would literally be illegal in the EU, so doesn't seem like the best plan... Other ideas might work!

martin_bech 8y ago
Moviepass is not available in the EU.
- Robin_Message 8y ago
  Oh okay, that's alright then /s
- jsgo 8y ago
  true, but I think their point is that if the policy catches on there as popular, what is to prevent the US (or others) from implementing similar laws? Relying on a business model that could reasonably be illegal after the stroke of a pen by a legislator is not a good thing. And legislators are at least putting on the appearance of being concerned about user data after the Facebook/Cambridge Analytica thing would cause one to exercise even more caution.
  - stuckinarut 8y ago
    Regulatory capture, bribes (AKA lobbying), a culture that devalues privacy, a culture that places corporate rights over individual rights, a culture that doesn't like sane limitations on contracts, etc... So long as Google is an 800B behemoth who invests more than anyone else in lobbying, monetizing customer data (and sucking up massively more data than needed) is going to be legal.

chaostheory 8y ago

> They could introduce incentives to reduce the number of movies people saw a week? They could also start taking the most expensive users of their platform They've already done this. Just like unlimited data doesn't really mean unlimited. I guess they need to lower the thresh hold even more and affect more of their customers?

justizin 8y ago

> They could introduce incentives to reduce the number of movies people saw a week? Since I joined, they pretty much did this by limiting people from seeing a movie more than once. There just aren't that many movies, and nobody really wants to see every movie that's out. It's pretty frustrating how they sold me a year-long subscription and then immediately started changing what I bought. I'd rather they used some of this borrowed money to refund the remainder of my year.

JumpCrisscross 8y ago
> I'd rather they used some of this borrowed money to refund the remainder of my year Issue a chargeback.

cabaalis 8y ago

Use some of the funding to start their own theater chains?