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Compare internet to library: Free: Transportation to go to your library (2x train ticket, or car + gas): minimum ~$5 / day so $60 a month, plus library card if

by l9k 8y ago

Compare internet to library: Free: Transportation to go to your library (2x train ticket, or car + gas): minimum ~$5 / day so $60 a month, plus library card if not free Instantly: ~30 minutes to go, 30 minutes to get back home, depending on where you live. Worst internet connection need a few seconds. Anywhere: you have to physically go to the one library and hope you find the book you're looking for. Nowadays you have internet access pretty much anywhere.

dralley 8y ago
Are you dense? You ignored all of their points. A homeless person won't have an internet connection or a computer. A poor person won't necessarily have a computer. Internet in some rural areas is not just slow, but also spotty.
- l9k 8y ago
  No need for name-calling on here please. For the large majority of people (95%+), as per my last message, the library is not always preferable in terms of cost, distance and availability, that's all. There are reasons most people don't go. But for some, libraries are still relevant. Please notice that I never said the libraries are useless. Even a poor rural person, usually working a lot and living far from a city center, might not have the time nor the financial resources to often go to the library. Also, I've seen homeless people with a cheap tablet in NYC streets using the Link NYC hotspots [1] for free charging and WiFi. [1] https://www.link.nyc/ https://www.link.nyc/
convolvatron 8y ago
I did research before the internet had all this content. I lived on the east coast, so it was possible for me to take a day trip to the LOC. there I could spent all day and a sackful of dimes to execute 4-5 cycles of following references before they shut down for the night. then carry my box full of photocopies with oddly clipped margins back to my office for digestion. so sure, that sucked in comparison, but no one was monetizing my activity. i didn't have to struggle against a suggestion machine that had decided I was in a different field. no one was showing me advertisements. no question that digitizing and indexing the worlds information has been a huge benefit, but there isn't any fundamental reason why we had to invite all these sleezy business people into our lives in exchange. they just latched onto a new thing, seeped into any available crack, and presented themselves as part of the package. a post internet library would be global, noncommercial, unfettered access to as many resources possible (hi Brewster).
- l9k 8y ago
  I agree with you about the tracking/monetization problem. My first comment was just about cost and (spatial/temporal) availability, in response to the parent.
  - UncleEntity 8y ago
    Depends on where you live, really. The main city library is like a 10 minute walk -- though I don't like to walk so I ride my bike when I want to go up there. Costs me zero dollars to get there and library cards are free for everyone in the county. Admittedly...I chose to live not in the suburbs so pretty much everything I need is a bike ride away.
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by l9k 8y ago

dralley 8y ago

Are you dense? You ignored all of their points. A homeless person won't have an internet connection or a computer. A poor person won't necessarily have a computer. Internet in some rural areas is not just slow, but also spotty.

l9k 8y ago
No need for name-calling on here please. For the large majority of people (95%+), as per my last message, the library is not always preferable in terms of cost, distance and availability, that's all. There are reasons most people don't go. But for some, libraries are still relevant. Please notice that I never said the libraries are useless. Even a poor rural person, usually working a lot and living far from a city center, might not have the time nor the financial resources to often go to the library. Also, I've seen homeless people with a cheap tablet in NYC streets using the Link NYC hotspots [1] for free charging and WiFi. [1] https://www.link.nyc/ https://www.link.nyc/

convolvatron 8y ago

I did research before the internet had all this content. I lived on the east coast, so it was possible for me to take a day trip to the LOC. there I could spent all day and a sackful of dimes to execute 4-5 cycles of following references before they shut down for the night. then carry my box full of photocopies with oddly clipped margins back to my office for digestion. so sure, that sucked in comparison, but no one was monetizing my activity. i didn't have to struggle against a suggestion machine that had decided I was in a different field. no one was showing me advertisements. no question that digitizing and indexing the worlds information has been a huge benefit, but there isn't any fundamental reason why we had to invite all these sleezy business people into our lives in exchange. they just latched onto a new thing, seeped into any available crack, and presented themselves as part of the package. a post internet library would be global, noncommercial, unfettered access to as many resources possible (hi Brewster).

l9k 8y ago
I agree with you about the tracking/monetization problem. My first comment was just about cost and (spatial/temporal) availability, in response to the parent.
- UncleEntity 8y ago
  Depends on where you live, really. The main city library is like a 10 minute walk -- though I don't like to walk so I ride my bike when I want to go up there. Costs me zero dollars to get there and library cards are free for everyone in the county. Admittedly...I chose to live not in the suburbs so pretty much everything I need is a bike ride away.

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