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Pretty common complaints about the actual OS for people who are used to windows. You just have to get used to the idea that windows float and that it's not rea

by ssharp 18y ago

Pretty common complaints about the actual OS for people who are used to windows. You just have to get used to the idea that windows float and that it's not really designed to have windows maximized. I was pretty used to the interface after a month or so, I started in late 2003, so Panther was out by then and Expose helped out a lot. I have to disagree with running 2 monitors, I've done it for a couple years now and have never had any usability issues. However, the Apple store comments are pretty much dead-on. I'd rather just order online or go to a reseller then deal with the Apple Store.

abstractbill 18y ago
it's not really designed to have windows maximized I've heard this line before - people say it as if something disastrous would happen if Apple gave in and made the green '+' a maximize button... so far nothing's coming to mind. (btw, I haven't used windows for anything other than testing IE for about 9 years, and I still hate Apple's choice regarding the 'zoom' button).
- TheWama 18y ago
  The disastrous thing is that it would be less useful to have a maximized window be 10x the size of its contents. For example, IMO the behavior of safari on maximize is just beautiful, because it's tailored to the specific website you're viewing. If the application is a window into your data, why make that window bigger than necessary, thus obscuring your desktop, or some other window behind it? That may not be disastrous, but I think its intent makes sense. Without further explanation, I end up suspecting that when he writes: "it almost never does what you’d want or expect it to," the emphasis is on his expectations as a Windows user, not on what he would prefer, all things being equal. [and for the record, I'm speaking as an Ubuntu user, who has never owned a mac]
  - abstractbill 18y ago
    I want to obscure my desktop, and all the other windows. Why would I want that stuff in my peripheral vision when I'm busy working?
    - demallien 18y ago
      In which case you simply hit Cmd-Shift-H (or select 'Hide Others' in the app menu), which hides all but the active application... Personally though, I generally just use Spaces to have different screens containing only applications that I want to use together. So I'll have a programming doc open in Preview, next to my XCode project window. Or I'll have a web browser open with Textmate if I'm doing something with Rails. That way you only have the apps that you are interested in on screen in any given 'space'. Next quibble?
      - menloparkbum 18y ago
        Cmd-Shift-H actually sends you "home" if that option is available. Opt-Shift-H hides others. The lame thing about hide others is there isn't a built in key command to show all.
        demallien 18y ago
        Lol, actually we're both wrong. It's Opt-Cmd-H... At least it is when using French keyboards...
        menloparkbum 18y ago
        whoops... yeah, that's it.
      - abstractbill 18y ago
        This is what my desktop looks like for more than 90% of the time: http://abstractnonsense.com/desktop.png http://abstractnonsense.com/desktop.png If emacs wasn't taking up the whole screen, I'd have a scrollbar running down the middle of the screen, which would be really visually distracting. I used virtual desktops a lot back when I used Linux for my desktop os. They're great, and I'm sure I'll use them again when I upgrade from Tiger. But, for me at least, they're no substitute for maximization.
        jrockway 18y ago

by ssharp 18y ago

abstractbill 18y ago

it's not really designed to have windows maximized I've heard this line before - people say it as if something disastrous would happen if Apple gave in and made the green '+' a maximize button... so far nothing's coming to mind. (btw, I haven't used windows for anything other than testing IE for about 9 years, and I still hate Apple's choice regarding the 'zoom' button).

TheWama 18y ago
The disastrous thing is that it would be less useful to have a maximized window be 10x the size of its contents. For example, IMO the behavior of safari on maximize is just beautiful, because it's tailored to the specific website you're viewing. If the application is a window into your data, why make that window bigger than necessary, thus obscuring your desktop, or some other window behind it? That may not be disastrous, but I think its intent makes sense. Without further explanation, I end up suspecting that when he writes: "it almost never does what you’d want or expect it to," the emphasis is on his expectations as a Windows user, not on what he would prefer, all things being equal. [and for the record, I'm speaking as an Ubuntu user, who has never owned a mac]
- abstractbill 18y ago
  I want to obscure my desktop, and all the other windows. Why would I want that stuff in my peripheral vision when I'm busy working?
  - demallien 18y ago
    In which case you simply hit Cmd-Shift-H (or select 'Hide Others' in the app menu), which hides all but the active application... Personally though, I generally just use Spaces to have different screens containing only applications that I want to use together. So I'll have a programming doc open in Preview, next to my XCode project window. Or I'll have a web browser open with Textmate if I'm doing something with Rails. That way you only have the apps that you are interested in on screen in any given 'space'. Next quibble?
    - menloparkbum 18y ago
      Cmd-Shift-H actually sends you "home" if that option is available. Opt-Shift-H hides others. The lame thing about hide others is there isn't a built in key command to show all.
      - demallien 18y ago
        Lol, actually we're both wrong. It's Opt-Cmd-H... At least it is when using French keyboards...
        menloparkbum 18y ago
        whoops... yeah, that's it.
    - abstractbill 18y ago
      This is what my desktop looks like for more than 90% of the time: http://abstractnonsense.com/desktop.png http://abstractnonsense.com/desktop.png If emacs wasn't taking up the whole screen, I'd have a scrollbar running down the middle of the screen, which would be really visually distracting. I used virtual desktops a lot back when I used Linux for my desktop os. They're great, and I'm sure I'll use them again when I upgrade from Tiger. But, for me at least, they're no substitute for maximization.
      - jrockway 18y ago